[tz] tz Digest, Vol 94, Issue 6
Andrii Nabok
andrey at nabok.com.ua
Thu Jul 4 09:00:23 UTC 2019
Dear Paul Eggert,
I would like to draw your attention to the fact that the Kyiv time zone is
officially defined in the Crimea. In this regard, I have the following
statements:
1. This is not a political issue;
2. All projects on the Internet, regardless of their scope, must comply
with international law.
3. The territory of Crimea is not a disputed territory. Crimea is an
integral part of Ukraine. All countries in the world, except Russia (which
started the war in Ukraine), consider Crimea to be part of Ukraine.
4. Also pay attention to the provisions of the BCP 175. *"Changes to
existing entries SHALL reflect the consensus on the ground in the region
covered by that entry.". *Fake news on Russian sites - is not a consensus.
Why is the Tzadat base contributing to Russian invaders and terrorists in
conducting an information war against a civilized world?
Also, we ask to answer the following questions:
1. On which basis were changes made in 2014? Based on the news on the site
in the domain zone. Ru ???
2. Will you change the time zone in Alaska, if after some time, Russian
troops enter Alaska, take prisoner of official representatives of the US
government and subsequently publish on all Russian sites the news that the
Magadan time zone is set in Alaska???
Sincerely, Andrii Nabok
чт, 4 лип. 2019 о 10:36 <tz-request at iana.org> пише:
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> 1. Re: Simferopol switch near 2014-03-30 (Paul.Koning at dell.com)
> 2. Re: Simferopol switch near 2014-03-30 (Tim Parenti)
> 3. Re: Simferopol switch near 2014-03-30 (Michael H Deckers)
> 4. Re: Simferopol switch near 2014-03-30 (Paul Eggert)
> 5. [PROPOSED] Cite Rec. ITU-R TF.460-6 for leap seconds (Paul Eggert)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 13:27:29 +0000
> From: <Paul.Koning at dell.com>
> To: <tz at iana.org>
> Subject: Re: [tz] Simferopol switch near 2014-03-30
> Message-ID: <43E8DF99-A7A4-4879-9555-5E5DEC7CEC31 at dell.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>
> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 6:44 AM, Sergij Marchenko <makars at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > You can continue to live according to the rules imposed by russian
> terrorists under the occupation regime of Putin Huylo.
>
> It's been explained many times already that the TZ project is a technical
> one, not a political one, and the issue you raise is out of scope.
>
> Since you persist in bringing it up in spite of being corrected
> repeatedly, it may be time to consider your mail to be spam and filter it
> accordingly.
>
> paul
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 09:33:36 -0400
> From: Tim Parenti <tim at timtimeonline.com>
> To: Michael H Deckers <michael.h.deckers at googlemail.com>
> Cc: Time Zone Mailing List <tz at iana.org>
> Subject: Re: [tz] Simferopol switch near 2014-03-30
> Message-ID:
> <
> CAFpi07wuB0+X230MukZJGmVwFS2f8PBo5Fcua8CMaB-y+s4PJw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 04:43, Michael H Deckers via tz <tz at iana.org> wrote:
>
> > tzdb currently has the switch in Simferopol from
> > 2014-03-30T02:00 to 04:00, following the announcement in
> > [https://vz.ru/news/2014/3/17/677464.html] from 2014-03-17.
> >
> > But the clocks of the main station shown in the video at
> > [https://www.rt.com/news/crimea-clocks-moscow-time-173/]
> > advance from 22:00 to 00:00. If this is not a fake, the
> > switch happened 4 hours earlier.
>
>
> This apparent discrepancy in reporting was discussed contemporaneously
> on-list and is already noted in commentary.
> https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2014-March/020814.html
> https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2014-March/020815.html
>
> Specifically:
>
> # Simferopol and Sevastopol reportedly changed their central town clocks
> > # late the previous day, but this appears to have been ceremonial
> > # and the discrepancies are small enough to not worry about.
>
>
> As it so happens, the RT article you linked confirms that particular
> perspective ? that the 22:00 transition was merely "ceremonial" and that
> the 02:00 transition was official ? more clearly than we had identified at
> the time. Quoting the article:
>
> ?the hands of the main railway station clock in the city of Simferopol
> > jumped from 10 pm to 12 am on Saturday. [?] The ceremony follows the
> > region?s formal joining the Russian Federation on March 21. Other
> Crimeans,
> > apart from Simferopol, the region?s capital, were expected to switch
> their
> > clocks at 2:00 am on Sunday, AFP reported.
>
>
> It appears India's *Business Standard* also contemporaneously reported the
> same, at
>
> https://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/crimea-to-set-clocks-to-russia-time-114033000014_1.html
> :
>
> ?a symbolic ceremony will be held to move the clocks forward at the railway
> > station in the main city of Simferopol. The Black Sea peninsula's prime
> > minister Sergei Aksyonov will oversee the switch at 10pm (midnight
> Moscow,
> > 2000 GMT). Europeans and ordinary Crimeans make the daylight savings
> time
> > switch at 2am tomorrow.
>
>
> Since the zone is meant to represent the region as a whole, and not
> necessarily one or two clocks in the town squares in the representative
> city, this is why we settled on 2014-03-30 02:00 for the transition.
>
> --
> Tim Parenti
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 15:07:01 +0000
> From: Michael H Deckers <michael.h.deckers at googlemail.com>
> To: Tim Parenti <tim at timtimeonline.com>
> Cc: Time Zone Mailing List <tz at iana.org>
> Subject: Re: [tz] Simferopol switch near 2014-03-30
> Message-ID: <578520a3-093e-26bb-df4c-245d13159d28 at googlemail.com>
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>
> On 2019-07-03 13:33, Tim Parenti wrote:
> > ?the hands of the main railway station clock in the city of Simferopol
> >> jumped from 10 pm to 12 am on Saturday. [?] The ceremony follows the
> >> region?s formal joining the Russian Federation on March 21. Other
> Crimeans,
> >> apart from Simferopol, the region?s capital, were expected to switch
> their
> >> clocks at 2:00 am on Sunday, AFP reported.
>
>
> ?? Right. This tells us that a timestamp for Simferopol in
> ????? 2024-03-30 + [02..04[ h
> ?? is not necessarily in error, and one in
> ????? 2024-03-30 + [00..02[ h
> ?? might be ambiguous.
>
> ?? Perhaps the comment could be made more precise by saying
> ?? that the ceremony in Simferopol was for a switch 4 hours
> ?? earlier (I have not seen any evidence for a ceremony
> ?? in Sevastopol).
>
> ?? Michael Deckers.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:03:55 -0700
> From: Paul Eggert <eggert at cs.ucla.edu>
> To: Michael H Deckers <michael.h.deckers at googlemail.com>, Tim Parenti
> <tim at timtimeonline.com>
> Cc: Time Zone Mailing List <tz at iana.org>
> Subject: Re: [tz] Simferopol switch near 2014-03-30
> Message-ID: <f4121b96-dca8-3022-2d57-68c4f72f8743 at cs.ucla.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> On 7/3/19 8:07 AM, Michael H Deckers via tz wrote:
> > Perhaps the comment could be made more precise
>
> Let's leave it alone. Although I love clock trivia as much as the next
> guy we must draw the line somewhere, and increasing precision in
> commentary about about ceremonial clocks that were deliberately set
> incorrectly is not that helpful here.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 00:35:32 -0700
> From: Paul Eggert <eggert at cs.ucla.edu>
> To: tz at iana.org
> Subject: [tz] [PROPOSED] Cite Rec. ITU-R TF.460-6 for leap seconds
> Message-ID: <20190704073532.6427-1-eggert at cs.ucla.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> (Inspired by patch proposed by Chris Woodbury.)
> * leapseconds.awk (BEGIN):
> * tz-link.html (Precision timekeeping):
> Add ITU-R citation.
> * leapseconds.awk (BEGIN): Drop mention of rolling leap seconds,
> as the ITU-R doesn?t mention them and this script doesn?t generate them.
> ---
> leapseconds.awk | 16 +++++++++-------
> tz-link.html | 4 ++++
> 2 files changed, 13 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
> mode change 100644 => 100755 leapseconds.awk
>
> diff --git a/leapseconds.awk b/leapseconds.awk
> old mode 100644
> new mode 100755
> index 242e9d6..241da92
> --- a/leapseconds.awk
> +++ b/leapseconds.awk
> @@ -16,6 +16,11 @@ BEGIN {
> print "# The NTP Timescale and Leap Seconds"
> print "# <https://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/leap.html>."
> print ""
> + print "# The rules for leap seconds are specified in Annex 1 (Time
> scales) of:"
> + print "# Standard-frequency and time-signal emissions."
> + print "# International Telecommunication Union - Radiocommunication
> Sector"
> + print "# (ITU-R) Recommendation TF.460-6 (02/2002)"
> + print "# <https://www.itu.int/rec/R-REC-TF.460-6-200202-I/>."
> print "# The International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service"
> print "# periodically uses leap seconds to keep UTC to within 0.9 s of
> UT1"
> print "# (which measures the true angular orientation of the earth in
> space)"
> @@ -29,15 +34,12 @@ BEGIN {
> print "# accounting for the discrepancy between atomic time and the
> earth's rotation"
> print "# did not exist. The first (\"1 Jan 1972\") data line in
> leap-seconds.list"
> print "# does not denote a leap second; it denotes the start of the
> current definition"
> - print"# of UTC."
> + print "# of UTC."
> print ""
> print "# The correction (+ or -) is made at the given time, so lines"
> - print "# will typically look like:"
> - print "# Leap YEAR MON DAY 23:59:60 +
> R/S"
> - print "# or"
> - print "# Leap YEAR MON DAY 23:59:59 -
> R/S"
> - print ""
> - print "# If the leap second is Rolling (R) the given time is local time
> (unused here)."
> + print "# typically look like this:"
> + print "# Leap YEAR MON DAY 23:59:60 + S"
> + print "# A negative leap second's columns 5 and 6 would be '23:59:59'
> and '-'."
>
> monthabbr[ 1] = "Jan"
> monthabbr[ 2] = "Feb"
> diff --git a/tz-link.html b/tz-link.html
> index 85fc001..234c04e 100644
> --- a/tz-link.html
> +++ b/tz-link.html
> @@ -929,6 +929,10 @@ scales used by each landed mission on Mars.</li>
> dedicated not only to leap seconds but to precise time and frequency
> in general. It covers the state of the art in amateur timekeeping, and
> how the art has progressed over the past few decades.</li>
> +<li>The rules for leap seconds are specified in Annex 1 (Time scales) of
> <a
> +href="https://www.itu.int/rec/R-REC-TF.460-6-200202-I/
> ">Standard-frequency
> +and time-signal emissions</a>, International Telecommunication Union
> –
> +Radiocommunication Sector (ITU-R) Recommendation TF.460-6 (02/2002).</li>
> <li><a
> href="https://www.iers.org/IERS/EN/Publications/Bulletins/bulletins.html
> "><abbr
> title="International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems
> Service">IERS</abbr>
> --
> 2.17.1
>
>
>
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