[tz] WSJ follows AP to Kyiv
mj1856 at hotmail.com
Tue Nov 19 22:25:23 UTC 2019
I'd like to add two data points to the discussion:
1) CLDR 35 added Kyiv as a formal alternative name. This is the first time that has been done in CLDR. The English (en.xml) file now has the following:
2) The English display name given by Windows for this zone is: "(UTC+02:00) Helsinki, Kyiv, Riga, Sofia, Tallinn, Vilnius". It's a different data set, and is influenced by Microsoft's decision-makers, but is indeed a label that has been applied to a time zone with the Kyiv spelling.
Given these as precedent, I would not be in favor of renaming the Zone but I would be in favor of a Link entry added for Europe/Kyiv (with Europe/Kiev remaining the Zone entry for now). I get this is backwards from the usual approach, but seems to be a reasonable compromise.
Also, I notice that theory.html doesn't discuss Link entries at all. Perhaps that should be rectified?
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To: Bryan J Smith <b.j.smith at ieee.org>
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Subject: Re: [tz] WSJ follows AP to Kyiv
On Nov 19, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Bryan J Smith <b.j.smith at ieee.org> wrote:
> 1) What are the thresholds to change the official Zoneinfo Path, not just an alias or other name, but the Path, of a Zone?
theory.html doesn't appear to address this.
On 2008-03-18, some name changes were made:
Calcutta -> Kolkata
Saigon -> Ho_Chi_Minh
Both reflect changes made well before 2008; for example, the respelling of Kolkata occurred in 2001:
The first of those changes is the one closest to Kiev vs. Kyiv - the latter isn't just a respelling, it's a renaming, and apparently also corresponded to the incorporation of some other districts outside what was Saigon into the city.
> 2) How to handle any alias to the old name(s), when the official Path is to be changed (per #1)?
Presumably, the same way that those other changes were made; a Link line is added to the "backward" file, so the old name remains for backwards compatibility, as a link to the new name (at least if you're using a file system that supports links).
> 3) What historical precedents are there on this matter (I've been trying to look through the change logs), to further validate justification (of #1)?
Perhaps Calcutta -> Kolkata, although that one may not have been as politically sensitive as this one.
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