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Sat Nov 28 21:41:15 UTC 2020
If we really don't wamt to deal with localization issue then we should use
the original spelling instead of English/Latin Character transliteration
Your comment on English translation name being stable is rather inaccurate,
Alma-Ata have become Almaty, Bombay have become Mumbai, Leningrad have
become Saint Petersburg.
在 2020年11月29日週日 05:08，Brian Inglis <Brian.Inglis at systematicsw.ab.ca> 寫道：
> If we are regarding these as English identifiers, we should be ignoring
> these political arguments, and *STOP* adding alternate spellings, exccept
> technical reasons when time zones split or combine.
> Alternate spellings and scripts are localization issues that should be
> with by the likes of CLDR and ICU libraries. If the characters to be used
> not in the POSIX base character set, we would have no hesitation just
> *NO*; we should have no hesitation just saying *NO* to political
> Whether there are more occurrences on more sites should have no relevance
> the identifier has been assigned, just as other location selection
> criteria such
> as population are considered irrelevant once an identifier has been
> We have dropped posixrules and eliminated many other legacy rules and
> zones, we
> should in the course of time, eliminate all the alternate spellings,
> only the base zone identifiers.
> Otherwise we appear to have given up any basis for resisting these
> complaints and we should just add a link anytime anyone has any political
> objection to how we identify it.
> If this change is made, I would promptly expect growing demands for more
> political changes, as we have been shown to waver in the face of political
> demands unrelated to technical issues.
> There will be more demands to change or add official or remove unofficial
> identifiers on political bases.
> And for most English speakers the locations under discussion will for
> continue to be referred to as Ukraine, Crimea, Sebastopol, Kiev, etc.
> of what the locals want to call it or have others call it.
> Few English speakers will recognize or assign any meaning to new names,
> both appear together regularly with explanations on common social and
> media web sites, which is unlikely as it not click bait.
> Those sites will continue to use the old spellings, as their primary focus
> getting their readers attention, with words they recognize and could use.
> Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
> On 2020-11-28 11:38, Paul Eggert wrote:
> > On 11/27/20 9:54 AM, Matt Johnson-Pint wrote:
> >> how hard is it to add a link? ... We wouldn't even have to make the
> >> spelling primary.
> > This sounds like a good suggestion. We could add a link line as in the
> > below. This would be a test of the new feature of *forward*
> compatibility, not
> > *backward* compatibility, but it's pretty much the same thing as far as
> > implementation goes so I'm not sure it's worth the hassle of creating a
> > 'forward' file. Now that FreeBSD uses 'backward' along with everybody
> > putting this line in 'backward' means it should be supported by
> everybody who
> > cares about alternate names.
> > I had already been meaning to move some other links to 'backward' for
> > reasons, but I figure we might as well do the tougher case first.
> > I have not committed this patch, as the area is controversial.
> > diff --git a/backward b/backward
> > index e13ae52..3327e58 100644
> > --- a/backward
> > +++ b/backward
> > @@ -1,9 +1,9 @@
> > -# tzdb links for backward compatibility
> > +# tzdb links for backward and forward compatibility
> > # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of
> > # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson.
> > -# This file provides links between current names for timezones
> > +# This section provides links between current names for timezones
> > # and their old names. Many names changed in late 1993.
> > # Link TARGET LINK-NAME
> > @@ -130,3 +130,9 @@ Link Etc/UTC UTC
> > Link Etc/UTC Universal
> > Link Europe/Moscow W-SU
> > Link Etc/UTC Zulu
> > +
> > +
> > +# This section is for forward compatibility, where the primary name is
> > +# likely to change if current trends in common English usage continue.
> > +
> > +Link Europe/Kiev Europe/Kyiv
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