[tz] Request for change to the tz database
eggert at cs.ucla.edu
Mon Feb 8 22:24:39 UTC 2021
On 2/8/21 1:19 PM, John Hawkinson wrote:
> If we were getting 1 inquiry from a new person about Kyiv each week, or each day, that would be telling us something.
> (Something which, I would argue, we should listen to).
> As it is, we're barely hitting one per month, on the average.
Recently we've been getting more than that. The email archives currently
say 20 of this month's 26 messages have been about Kyiv vs Kiev. (This
email will make it 21 out of 27. :-) And I recall plenty more messages
in recent months. Even if we get only three inquiries per month, if
their threads mushroom into three dozen emails per month then it's
causing significant disruption.
The compromise proposal I made in November (see URL below) received only
suggested to not bother with a compromise and to just rename the entry
then. Although I installed neither suggestion so tzdb still uses
"Europe/Kiev", I still view the compromise or some variant as being on
For now, I propose that moderators respond to routine Kyiv-vs-Kiev
requests with the following newly-edited boilerplate.
Thanks, we're aware of the renaming effort, and this has been a periodic
source of discussion on the tz mailing list. A transition plan for
Europe/Kiev → Europe/Kyiv was proposed here:
and you can review that email thread. There's no rush; tzdb tends to
move slowly about these things, due to compatibility concerns.
The choice of spelling should not be important to end users, as the tzdb
spelling is not intended to be visible to them. End users should see
their preferred spelling which would typically be Київ, but could also
be Kyiv, Kænugarður, Κίεβο, 基輔, or whatever else is appropriate for
the user's locale. The Unicode Common Locale Data Repository (CLDR) is a
good source for these localized names; see <http://cldr.unicode.org/>.
Admittedly it is all too common for software applications to expose
strings like "Europe/Kiev" to users who prefer a different name; if this
occurs in an application that you use, please send a bug report
mentioning CLDR to the application's developers. Thanks.
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