[tz] permanent DST and North American time zone names
Brooks Harris
brooks at edlmax.com
Fri Mar 18 11:14:13 UTC 2022
Sleep experts say Senate has it wrong: Standard time, not daylight
saving, should be permanent
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2022/03/16/daylight-saving-bill-health-effects/
-Brooks
On 2022-03-16 9:53 AM, Brooks Harris via tz wrote:
> Perhaps lobby the House of Representatives to change the Bill to
> simply stop DST:
>
> A) Its a more natural reflection of daylight and seasons. Its more in
> keeping with the age old tradition of keeping time by the Sun in the
> sky. Its better for the population's sleep patterns and so better for
> safety, health and productivity.
>
> B) Its a simple matter for tzdb to accommodate that rule and for
> client systems to reflect it. There would be little or no technical
> disruption of civil time.
>
> I want DST to go away, but I see "permanent DST" as an unnatural
> distortion and technically disruptive. Perhaps if lawmakers were made
> more aware if this there might be reconsideration of the terms of the
> Bill.
>
> Thanks,
> -Brooks
>
>
> On 2022-03-16 12:45 AM, Chris Walton via tz wrote:
>> Regardless of what the legislation does or does not say, this
>> database needs to quickly adopt a strategy to deal with changes that
>> may be necessary for all North American Time zones.
>> The supporters and maintainers of this time zone database can take an
>> active role in helping to define and endorse a common standard, or
>> they can sit back and watch the politicians and the general public
>> fumble the job. It would be helpful if there was some collaboration
>> between Microsoft and the supporters/maintainers of this database.
>>
>> I think it is likely that if the US government approves the Sunshine
>> Protection Act, that most Canadian provinces and territories will
>> follow with similar legislation.
>> - British Columbia and Ontario already have the necessary legislation
>> in place.
>> - Saskatchewan has not changed its clocks in many years.
>> - Yukon stopped changing its clocks in 2020.
>> - Alberta recently voted to keep the biannual change, it could be the
>> lone holdout!
>> I admit I have not been following the other Canadian territories and
>> provinces closely.
>> Also, I have no clue what Mexico, Saint Pierre & Miquelon, or any of
>> the small island nations will decide to do.
>>
>> For this database I can envision four options moving forward:
>>
>> *Option #1*: ditch the three letter time zone strings and use only
>> numerical offsets from UTC.
>> This is a complete cop out that says "Let's abandon our end users
>> and let somebody else deal with the issue". It is my least favorite
>> option.
>> e.g. Los Angeles, Phoenix, and Vancouver:
>> Thu Feb 1 00:00:00 *-07* 2024 (UTC-07)
>> Thu Aug 1 00:00:00 *-07* 2024 (UTC-07)
>> e.g. New York and Toronto:
>> Thu Feb 1 00:00:00 *-04* 2024 (UTC-04)
>> Thu Aug 1 00:00:00 *-04* 2024 (UTC-04)
>>
>>
>> *Option #2*: allow permanent daylight saving
>> This could be implemented without too many complications, but it goes
>> against the philosophy that daylight saving is an alternate time
>> offset that is only used for part of the year.
>> This is not my favorite option even though it is probably the least
>> disruptive. I do not think it will make any sense 20 years from now.
>> e.g. Los Angeles, Phoenix, Vancouver, and Whitehorse would be on
>> permanent *Pacific Daylight Time*
>> Thu Feb 1 00:00:00 *PDT* 2024 (UTC-07)
>> Thu Aug 1 00:00:00 *PDT* 2024 (UTC-07)
>> e.g. New York and Toronto would be on permanent *Eastern Daylight Time*:
>> Thu Feb 1 00:00:00 *EDT *2024 (UTC-04)
>> Thu Aug 1 00:00:00 *EDT* 2024 (UTC-04)
>>
>>
>> *Option #3*: move most North American entries in the TZ database one
>> zone to the east:
>> I know we have done this in the past for places such as
>> America/Whitehorse, but I expect if we did it for all of Canada and
>> the US it would not align with the public's perception of reality.
>> Also, it provides no clear path to deal with any places that are
>> currently using *Atlantic Daylight Time (UTC-03)*.
>> e.g. Los Angeles, Phoenix, Vancouver, and Whitehorse would be on
>> permanent *Mountain Standard Time*
>> Thu Feb 1 00:00:00 *MST* 2024 (UTC-07)
>> Thu Aug 1 00:00:00 *MST* 2024 (UTC-07)
>> e.g. New York and Toronto would be on permanent *Atlantic Standard
>> Time*:
>> Thu Feb 1 00:00:00 *AST* 2024 (UTC-04)
>> Thu Aug 1 00:00:00 *AST* 2024 (UTC-04)
>>
>>
>> *Option #4*: redefine AKST, PST, MST, CST, EST, AST, and NST to all
>> be one hour closer to UTC time.
>> This is currently my preferred option even though it may break some
>> software and it is guaranteed to conflict with the Canadian
>> Interpretation Act.
>> Alaska Standard Time (AKST) is redefined to UTC-08.
>> Pacific Standard Time (PST) is redefined to UTC-07.
>> Mountain Standard Time (MST) is redefined to UTC-06.
>> Central Standard Time (CST) is redefined to UTC-05.
>> Eastern Standard Time (EST) is redefined to UTC-04.
>> Atlantic Standard Time (AST) is redefined to UTC-03.
>> Newfoundland Standard Time (NST) is redefined to UTC-02:30 (assuming
>> Newfoundland abandons the biannual time change)
>> e.g. Los Angeles, Phoenix, Vancouver, and Whitehorse would be on
>> *Pacific Standard Time* year-round:
>> Thu Feb 1 00:00:00 *PST* 2024 (UTC-07)
>> Thu Aug 1 00:00:00 *PST* 2024 (UTC-07)
>> e.g. New York and Toronto would be on *Eastern Standard
>> Time* year-round:
>> Thu Feb 1 00:00:00 *EST* 2024 (UTC-04)
>> Thu Aug 1 00:00:00 *EST* 2024 (UTC-04)
>> e.g. Alberta would have to adopt new time zone names: *Pacific
>> Standard Time* in winter, and *Pacific Daylight Time* in summer.
>> (Alberta recently voted to keep the biannual clock change).
>> Thu Feb 1 00:00:00 *PST* 2024 (UTC-07)
>> Thu Aug 1 00:00:00 *PDT* 2024 (UTC-06)
>> e.g. Saskatchewan would have to start referring to its time zone
>> name as *Mountain Standard Time* instead of *Central Standard Time*.
>> (Saskatchewan has used *UTC-06* year-round for many years)
>> Thu Feb 1 00:00:00 *MST* 2024 (UTC-06)
>> Thu Aug 1 00:00:00 *MST* 2024 (UTC-06)
>> e.g. Puerto Rico would have to start referring to its time zone as
>> *Eastern Standard Time* instead of *Atlantic Standard Time*.
>> Thu Feb 1 00:00:00 *EST* 2024 (UTC-04)
>> Thu Aug 1 00:00:00 *EST* 2024 (UTC-04)
>> e.g. If Atlantic Canada and Bermuda were to continue changing the
>> clocks twice a year, they would be on *Eastern Standard Time* in
>> winter and *Eastern Daylight Time* in summer.
>> Thu Feb 1 00:00:00 *EST* 2024 (UTC-04)
>> Thu Aug 1 00:00:00 *EDT* 2024 (UTC-03)
>> e.g. If, Atlantic Canada and Bermuda were to abandon the time
>> change, then they would both end up on *Atlantic Standard Time*
>> year-round.
>> Thu Feb 1 00:00:00 *AST* 2024 (UTC-03)
>> Thu Aug 1 00:00:00 *AST* 2024 (UTC-03)
>>
>> Did I miss anything?
>> -chris
>
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