[tz] Lebanon DST change internally disputed

Jad Baz jadbaz at gmail.com
Sat Mar 25 22:12:07 UTC 2023

Suppose the decision is not reversed though and the IANA db remains on 2023b
Vendors will pickup that version and will rollout to their devices

The issue is that the rollout will not be instantaneous but rather
incremental across different vendors, systems and devices over several days

In the interim period, I'm wondering how transactions, meeting times and
any sort of dealing with anyone outside Lebanon will take place when, say,
one party is on 2023b while the other is still on 2022g

On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 23:59 Rany Hany via tz <tz at iana.org> wrote:

> My gut feeling is that this change won't last long and will be repealed
> soon. The public frustration with this change is just too great, especially
> seeing that it was done on such short notice and with non-existent planning
> for the ramifications/methods for carrying it out (they didn't even contact
> IANA!)
> At any rate it does appear that the consensus in the country is that DST
> is postponed and so I don't see a need to update the timezone data... and
> besides what is the protocol in these cases, a new timezone for every sect?
> Perhaps it would be the first instance of timezones on the basis of sect
> than region (or have the Tibetans beaten us to the punch?)
> On 3/25/23 23:45, Tim Parenti via tz wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 at 16:46, Jad Baz via tz <tz at iana.org> wrote:
>> Lebanon is going through many internal disputes surrounding the latest
>> decision to delay DST
> Thanks for the heads-up.  This situation is unfortunate and is just one
> of many reasons we advise governments to disseminate these changes far in
> advance.  Thankfully, this sort of division appears rare in recent memory,
> but it has the potential to be incredibly disruptive when it does occur,
> and there's not really anything we can do about that.
>> All of these concerns are important to bring to light in view of IANA's
>> procedures for updating timezone data:
>> If you would ask today "what the average person on the street would think
>> the time actually is", it's not at all clear what the answer would be
> Yes, it appears many in Lebanon are planning to set their clocks forward
> in about 15 minutes while others plan to wait a few more weeks.  Hopefully
> those differences can be reconciled, and the situation can clear itself up
> somewhat over the next few days.  Do keep us posted.
> In the meantime we have, by coincidence of timing, two tz versions which
> differ only by the Lebanese government's recent announcement.  Though it's
> certainly an imperfect solution, those hoping to observe the government's
> announced delay of DST could use tz version 2023b, while those choosing to
> ignore the delay could use 2023a (or even 2022g if they don't care about
> handling timestamps in Egypt, Greenland, Morocco, and Palestine.)  Of
> course, such a split approach would present some pretty major
> interoperability challenges.
> --
> Tim Parenti
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