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    <p>There is no consensus, even in the case of hospitals. For
      example, Hôtel-Dieu (USJ) and Bellevue did not abide by the
      change. <br>
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    <p>> Hôtel-Dieu de France and its hospital network have decided
      to comply with DST tonight (25-26 March 2023).</p>
    <p>Source: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.usj.edu.lb/news.php?id=13195">https://www.usj.edu.lb/news.php?id=13195</a><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/28/23 13:43, Andrea Singletary via
      tz wrote:<br>
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              Below my email is a message from my colleague Paige
              Tummons, who works closely with hospitals and clinics in
              Lebanon. They are of the position that the TZDB update
              needs to reflect DST in Lebanon<span
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              I understand that the goal of TZDB is to reflect the
              reality on the ground, but the situation on the ground is
              not as clear-cut as it may seem. Per my colleagues in
              Lebanon, people ARE still operating on Standard Time, most
              of them having updated their phones to the Cairo time zone
              to remain on UTC+2, with a plan to switch back on March
              30. In the absence of genuine consensus among the Lebanese
              people, I argue that it's best for 2023c to codify the
              government's official position that DST<span
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              Best,<br>
              Andrea</p>
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              From Paige Tummons:</p>
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              <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Roboto
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                your</span> <a
                href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2023-March/032833.html"
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                moz-do-not-send="true"><span
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                Light";line-height:1.5">on the proposal to revert
                back to 2023a instead of updating 2023c to reflect the
                Lebanon DST change of</span> <u><span
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                    dir="ltr" style="font-size: inherit !important;
                    text-decoration-color: rgb(0, 134, 240) !important;">30
                    March</span></span></u><span
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                Light";line-height:1.5">. I’ve been working closely
                with medical centers in Lebanon to ensure that their
                healthcare systems are in continuous legal compliance
                with the government directives. We have been in close
                communication with Lebanese government authorities who
                legally consider the spring forward event to be</span> <u><span
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                    dir="ltr" style="font-size: inherit !important;
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                    30 March</span></span></u> <span
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                Light";line-height:1.5">(with the jump being</span> <u><span
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                    dir="ltr" style="font-size: inherit !important;
                    text-decoration-color: rgb(0, 134, 240) !important;">from
                    11:59:59 PM on 29 March to 01:00:00 AM on 30 March</span></span></u><span
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              <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Roboto
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                to reflect this update in the 2023c file, to avoid the
                published tzdata file being in direct conflict with the
                government directive of the spring DST event in Lebanon
                happening<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><u><span
                    dir="ltr" style="font-size: inherit !important;
                    text-decoration-color: rgb(0, 134, 240) !important;">on
                    30 March</span></u>. The Prime Minister met with the
                cabinet yesterday, and together they agreed that Lebanon
                DST happens<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><u>on
                  the 30<sup>th</sup>of March</u>. No government
                authorities consider the 26 March 2023 event to be the
                “true” DST time for Lebanon.</span></p>
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                Paige Tummons</span></p>
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          <div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri,
              sans-serif"><b>From:</b> Saadallah Itani
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sitani@aub.edu.lb"><sitani@aub.edu.lb></a><br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 28, 2023 5:02 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> Paul Eggert <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:eggert@cs.ucla.edu"><eggert@cs.ucla.edu></a>; Andrea
              Singletary <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:asinglet@epic.com"><asinglet@epic.com></a><br>
              <b>Cc:</b> Time zone mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tz@iana.org"><tz@iana.org></a>;
              Maher Kassab <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:maherk@aub.edu.lb"><maherk@aub.edu.lb></a>; Mohammad Abbass
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mabbass@aub.edu.lb"><mabbass@aub.edu.lb></a>; Deborah Goldsmith
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:goldsmit@apple.com"><goldsmit@apple.com></a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> [tz] Proposal to revert 2023b's Lebanon
              data changes
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          Dear Paul, <br>
          <br>
          Its very important to make sure you change on Github the "Asia
          file- Lebanon <br>
          section" and commit the Decision taken by the cabinet of
          Ministers in <br>
          Lebanon Government yesterday March 27 that states the revert
          to DST will <br>
          happen on March 30. As we saw on tz git code that you
          commented the Rule <br>
          and its ineffective for the new file 2023-c. <br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <br>
          "As quoted by Andrea from EPIC health systems: <br>
          <br>
          I highly recommend "recording the chaos in more detail in the
          data" as the <br>
          approach here. The Lebanese government has clarified that for
          them, <br>
          DST/summer time in 2023 begins on March 30, with the clocks
          going from <br>
          23:59:59 March 29 to 01:00:00 March 30. (No word on what this
          means for next <br>
          year, but I digress.) <br>
          <br>
          It's important that this be memorialized correctly because the
          systems that <br>
          depend on it include health systems that feed vital records
          databases. A <br>
          baby born in Beirut at 21:30 UTC on March 27 will be born at
          23:30 local <br>
          Beirut time, and its birthday will be March 27. If we simply
          revert to <br>
          version 2023a, that would not sync up with the government, so
          the baby's <br>
          birthday might be recorded as 00:30 on March 28 in health
          system records, <br>
          which would not align with the government's opinion on the
          baby's date of <br>
          birth. <br>
          <br>
          Maybe it's just the historian in me, but I firmly believe we
          need to <br>
          memorialize this blip in the database. <br>
          <br>
          Thanks, <br>
          Andrea <br>
          " <br>
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          -----Original Message----- <br>
          From: Paul Eggert <eggert at cs.ucla.edu> <br>
          Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 1:11 PM <br>
          To: Time zone mailing list <tz at iana.org> <br>
          Subject: [tz] Proposal to revert 2023b's Lebanon data changes
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          <br>
          We need a new release soon to address the time zone chaos in
          Lebanon. <br>
          One option is to revert 2023b's data and go back to 2023a as I
          suggested <br>
          earlier. Another is to record the chaos in more detail in the
          data. The <br>
          attached proposed patch (which I installed into the
          developmental repository <br>
          on GitHub) takes the former approach, as I expect the latter
          would cause <br>
          more problems than it would cure. This follows a similar
          (although not <br>
          identical) precedent in Rio de Janeiro in 1993. <br>
          <br>
          In short, the patch would make 2023c identical to 2023a except
          for comments, <br>
          which do not count as part of the data. <br>
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