[UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?

Anthony Harris anthonyrharris at gmail.com
Tue Feb 17 21:43:38 UTC 2015 

Don,

Thanks for this useful insight.

Would it be possible for you to confirm call details for tomorrow? I have
three requests
for conference calls to be confirmed for tomorrow and am holding until I
hear from the UASG
which has my priority.

Thanks

Tony Harris

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Don Hollander <don at i2.org.nz> wrote:

> Let me put my CIO’s hat on and contribute.
>
> The expensive part of making a change to a system is the initial touching
> of it.    If I end up touching it twice to deal with length of TLDs in one
> pass and IDNs in a second pass, I’m not going to be too thrilled.    But
> making clear from the beginning that there are a number of changes to the
> TLD environment that need to be catered for then I will deal with them all
> at once.  But don’t feed them to me one at a time.
>
> The actual code changes are relatively small parts of the project budget.
> There’s the scoping, analysis and testing - particularly testing - and
> documentation and training where the big dollars are spent.
>
> Don
>
>
> On 18/02/2015, at 7:52 am, Jeffrey Sass <jeff at nic.club> wrote:
>
>  Chiming in, I agree with Rich.  UA should be for all domain names, as
> even legacy TLD's (.Travel, due to length, for instance) may have issues in
> certain systems.  I am also hyper-sensitive to make sure we do not send a
> message that new TLD's are not ready for prime time by highlighting
> problems specific to them.  The goal, as Richard stated, should be to
> achieve Universal Acceptance of all domain names, regardless of the flavor
> of the extension, or the language/character set of the string.  Thanks all!
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> *From:* Anthony Harris (anthonyrharris at gmail.com)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 12:36 PM
> *To:* Ram Mohan (rmohan at afilias.info)
> *Cc:* UA-discuss at icann.org (ua-discuss at icann.org)
> *Subject*: Re: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?
> I also agree with this.
>
>  Tony Harris
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Ram Mohan <rmohan at afilias.info> wrote:
>>
>> +1. This is not an IDN, ngTLD or TLD issue.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Richard Merdinger [mailto: rmerdinger at godaddy.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:21 AM
>> To: Dusan Stojicevic; ua-discuss at icann.org
>> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?
>>
>> While I appreciate the fact that IDN issues are, in many ways, a superset
>> of the issues faced by other domains/TLDs that exhibit acceptance issues,
>> I really think that we need to continue to consider this UA effort a
>> "domain" issue and not a new gTLD issue, IDN issue, or even a TLD issue.
>>
>> My view is that we decompose the UA issue into component issue areas and
>> attack them, irrespective of labels that could inadvertently/inaccurately
>> attach the perception of agendas that could ultimately thwart the effort.
>>
>> Richard Merdinger
>> VP, Domains
>> e: rmerdinger at godaddy.com
>> s: richard.merdinger
>> m: 319.530.4100
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org [mailto: ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org]
>>
>> On Behalf Of Dusan Stojicevic
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:14 AM
>> To: ua-discuss at icann.org
>> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Although I think that IDN is a big, maybe major question in UA, I must
>> say
>> that I agree with Mark and Michele.
>> IDN problem is part of UA, but UA is a much broader concept.
>> Those people from the list who had the misfortune to meet me, will be
>> surprised.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dušan
>> Serbian ccTLD registry
>>
>> On 17.2.2015 12:43, Mark McFadden wrote:
>> > Edmon:
>> >
>> > While risking agreeing with Michele on this, I'd say that I'm very fond
>> of the "U" in "UA" - that is, I think we should be focusing on Universal
>> Acceptance and not IDN Acceptance. By breaking the problem into two
>> parts,
>> I think we may be heading for a better, crisper problem statement. There
>> are problems in many settings - for instance, problems with acceptance of
>> "long" strings, problems with acceptance of IDN scripts, problems in
>> display, problems in EAI, etc. etc.
>> >
>> > It might be better not to focus on IDNs until we had a more precise
>> definition of "how universal" our approach to Universal Acceptance is
>> going to be.
>> >
>> > mark
>> >
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>> > From: ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org [ ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Michele Neylon - Blacknight [ michele at blacknight.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:40 AM
>> > To: Edmon Chung; 'Mark Svancarek'; 'Nelson, Nick'; 'Christian
>>  Dawson';
>> 'Ram Mohan SMTP'
>> > Cc: UA-discuss at icann.org
>> > Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?
>> >
>> > Edmon
>> >
>> > I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with you on this.
>> >
>> > If, for example, I was trying to get a bunch of Irish web developers or
>> software engineeers to code better and support ALL tlds then they're not
>> going to be motivated by IDNs.
>> >
>> > Telling them that their bad code choices is blocking English speaking
>> users from using their new (Latin script) domains might be a motivator.
>> >
>> > I also don't think the IDN banner helps rally people. It would help
>> rally *some* people, but I'm not convinced that they're the ones who need
>> the most rallying.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Michele
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mr Michele Neylon
>> > Blacknight Solutions
>> > Hosting, Colocation & Domains
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>> > From: Edmon Chung [mailto: edmon at registry.asia]
>> > Sent: 17 February 2015 01:13
>> > To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; 'Mark Svancarek'; 'Nelson, Nick';
>> 'Christian Dawson'; 'Ram Mohan SMTP'
>> > Cc: UA-discuss at icann.org
>> > Subject: RE: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?
>> >
>> > I agree with you Michele that this is not an issue limited to IDNs,
>> however, I still believe that if we solve the IDN issue, we will solve
>> the
>> ASCII new TLD issue.
>> >
>> > So as a "moral high ground" if you will, for ICANN with this as a
>> community-wide project, I think it is better to have IDN be the "primary"
>> focus so that it gets the support from the whole community. If we had a
>> primary focus on ASCII TLDs, I worry we will lose the support we need
>> from
>> many parts of the community.
>> >
>> > That is not to say we only focus on IDN.  But the IDN banner I believe
>> helps us rally this as a global effort for the Internet.
>> >
>> > Edmon
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From:
>> > ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org<mailto: ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org>
>> > [mailto: ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Michele Neylon -
>> > Blacknight
>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:03 AM
>> > To: Mark Svancarek; Nelson, Nick; Christian Dawson; Ram Mohan SMTP
>> > Cc: UA-discuss at icann.org<mailto: UA-discuss at icann.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> > That's good, but that's assuming that Universal Acceptance is limited
>> to
>> IDNs, whereas in reality the issue is much wider. At present a lot of
>> online services and software do not recognise new TLDs - be they ASCII or
>> IDN.
>> > So while incorporating that language is excellent, I'd hate to see
>> > IDNs as being the primary focus Regards
>> >
>> > Michele
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mr Michele Neylon
>> > Blacknight Solutions
>> > Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>> > http://www.blacknight.host/
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>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Mark Svancarek [ marksv at microsoft.com]
>> > Sent: 16 February 2015 21:43
>> > To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Nelson, Nick; Christian Dawson; Ram
>> > Mohan SMTP
>> > Cc: UA-discuss at icann.org<mailto: UA-discuss at icann.org>
>> > Subject: RE: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?
>> > Yes, I also agree with Michele and Nick.
>> >
>> > As a starter:
>> >
>> > "International character sets, whether in Unicode or Punycode, are
>> inconsistently managed by existing software products and existing online
>> services.  These inconsistencies arise both from non-support of the RFCs
>> or from support for outdated versions of these RFCs.
>> >
>> > Software and service providers have historically had little market or
>> regulatory incentive to invest in solutions which would bring true
>> interoperability to platforms or applications.  Democratization of
>> computing and greater availability of Internationalized Domain Names are
>> likely to upset this status quo.
>> >
>> > A coordinated industry effort is required to ensure a timely and
>> practical resolution to this pending  change."
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From:
>> > ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org<mailto: ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org>
>> > [mailto: ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Michele Neylon -
>> > Blacknight
>> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 9:43 AM
>> > To: Nelson, Nick; Christian Dawson; Ram Mohan SMTP
>> > Cc: UA-discuss at icann.org<mailto: UA-discuss at icann.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?
>> >
>> > I'd agree with Nick
>> >
>> > Defining the problem should be key
>> > Everything else comes after that
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Michele
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mr Michele Neylon
>> > Blacknight Solutions
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>> > From:
>> > ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org<mailto: ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org>
>> > [mailto: ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Nelson, Nick
>> > Sent: 16 February 2015 17:39
>> > To: Christian Dawson; Ram Mohan SMTP
>> > Cc: UA-discuss at icann.org<mailto: UA-discuss at icann.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?
>> >
>> > I'm coming in a bit late but that gives me good perspective and I think
>> the total list from Ram is accurate. However, I'd argue that both
>> Christian is right with defining structure and charger, but also first -
>> we should define the Problem space.
>> >
>> > The problem space to me is ultimately why we're all here right. "What
>> are we trying to solve for?" and even more so, "How is this group going
>> to
>> benefit the ultimate end-user?"
>> > ________________________________
>> > From:
>> > ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org<mailto: ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org>
>> > [ ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org] on behalf of Christian Dawson
>> > [ dawson at i2coalition.com]
>> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 9:22 AM
>> > To: Ram Mohan SMTP
>> > Cc: UA-discuss at icann.org<mailto: UA-discuss at icann.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG?
>> > Ram,
>> >
>> > I think this is a good list with one proposed change. I am 3-4 pages
>> into a draft charter for people to look at, which proposes a structure.
>> I'd say we need an agreed-on structure before we pick leaders to fill
>> defined roles, so I suggest flipping 1 and 2.
>> >
>> > I probably can't get far enough along to put my draft charter up for
>> > review until tomorrow - chairing a small anti-SPAM working group on
>> > SPAM in the Cloud at M3AAWG today. (If anybody else from this group is
>> > at M3AAWG come find me and we can chat/complain about timezones
>> > together.)
>> >
>> > -Christian
>> >
>> > On Feb 14, 2015, at 11:21 AM, Ram Mohan
>> < rmohan at afilias.info<mailto: rmohan at afilias.info>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Team,
>> > Trying to get an inventory of the main tasks in front of the UASG, in
>> chronological order:
>> >
>> > 1.       Group leadership
>> > 2.       Group structure and charter
>> > 3.       Definition of problem space
>> > 4.       Prioritization of problem space
>> > 5.       Definition of approach to problem spaces
>> > 6.       Delegation of work
>> > 7.       Execution of work
>> > 8.       Follow-through
>> >
>> > Appreciate input.
>> >
>> > -Ram
>> >
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