[Ws2-jurisdiction] Staff paper on jurisdiction posted

Wed Aug 24 22:34:31 UTC 2016

Thanks Pedro.  What would be the purpose of the second document since the
Staff paper is succinct?

Regards,

Paul

Paul D. McGrady, Jr.

policy at paulmcgrady.com

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Subject: RES: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Staff paper on jurisdiction posted

Dear Paul,

Respectfully, even though you may find little in the paper that you don’t
agree with, others may have a completely different view. 

Anyway, instead of arguing whether staff comments should be part of the main
body or an annex, I would rather suggest that we prepare a separate document
named "ICANN staff contribution to WS2 Jurisdiction discussion" which would
be utilized as an additional input to our work. The main reference should
however remain the Jurisdiction portion of the WS1 report.    

Kind regards,

Secretário Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva

Divisão da Sociedade da Informação (DI)

Ministério das Relações Exteriores - Brasil

T: + 55 61 2030-6609

Secretary Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva

Division of Information Society (DI)

Ministry of External Relations - Brazil

T: + 55 61 2030-6609

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Assunto: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Staff paper on jurisdiction posted

Thanks Rafael,

I respectfully disagree.  A well-written, thoughtful Staff paper on the
subject should inform our dialogue on this topic and should not be merely
“annexed” away.  It doesn’t mean we have to agree with everything written in
the paper, of course (although I find precious little in the paper that I
don’t agree with).  But, we need not discard it either.  

Best,

Paul

Paul D. McGrady, Jr.

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Subject: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Staff paper on jurisdiction posted

Agree. Staff-written paragraphs about e.g. ICANN operational ability should
not be the basis for discussions, but left as an annex, if needed. 

We should kick off discussions on the sole basis of the very text agreed by
the CCWG by consensus in WS1.

Best

Rafael

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Asunto: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Staff paper on jurisdiction posted

Jorge,

The Subgroup is free to use the information as it wishes, the intention was
to provide some background from WS1 discussions and references to the
subgroup as it starts its work.  

Karen Mulberry

Multistakeholder Strategy and Strategic Initiatives

ICANN

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Subject: AW: Staff paper on jurisdiction posted

Thanks for this information. 

I wonder whether we are allowed to make comments to the staff document. A
change/edit modus would probably be helpful. 

As a general remark, I feel that staff comments/opinions should be clearly
labeled as such and distinguished from what was agreed in the ws1 paper
(i.e. Annex 12), where we said basically the following: 

In the summary (points 2 and 5) 

“Addressing jurisdiction-related questions, namely: “Can ICANN’s
accountability be 

enhanced depending on the laws applicable to its actions?” The
CCWG-Accountability 

anticipates focusing on the question of applicable law for contracts and
dispute 

settlements.“ 

And in the “topic development” (starting at point 25): 

“25 Jurisdiction 

26 Jurisdiction directly influences the way ICANN’s accountability processes
are structured and 

operationalized. The fact that ICANN is incorporated under the laws of the
U.S. State of 

California grants the corporation certain rights and implies the existence
of certain accountability 

mechanisms. It also imposes some limits with respect to the accountability
mechanisms it can 

adopt. 

27 The topic of jurisdiction is, as a consequence, very relevant for the
CCWG-Accountability. 

ICANN is a nonprofit public benefit corporation incorporated in California
and subject to 

applicable California state laws, applicable U.S. federal laws and both
state and federal court 

jurisdiction. ICANN is subject to a provision in paragraph eight1 of the
Affirmation of 

Commitments, signed in 2009 between ICANN and the U.S. Government. 

28 ICANN’s Bylaws (Article XVIII) also state that its principal offices
shall be in California. 

29 The CCWG-Accountability has acknowledged that jurisdiction is a
multi-layered issue and has 

identified the following "layers”: 

· Place and jurisdiction of incorporation and operations, including
governance of internal 

affairs, tax system, human resources, etc. 

· Jurisdiction of places of physical presence. 

· Governing law for contracts with registrars and registries and the ability
to sue and be 

sued in a specific jurisdiction about contractual relationships. 

· Ability to sue and be sued in a specific jurisdiction for action or
inaction of staff and for 

redress and review of Board action or inaction, including as relates to IRP
outcomes and 

other accountability and transparency issues, including the Affirmation of
Commitments. 

· Relationships with the national jurisdictions for particular domestic
issues (ccTLDs 

managers, protected names either for international institutions or country
and other 

geographic names, national security, etc.), privacy, freedom of expression. 

· Meeting NTIA requirements. 

30 At this point in the CCWG-Accountability’s work, the main issues that
need to be investigated 

within Work Stream 2 relate to the influence that ICANN´s existing
jurisdiction may have on the 

actual operation of policies and accountability mechanisms. This refers
primarily to the process 

for the settlement of disputes within ICANN, involving the choice of
jurisdiction and of the 

applicable laws, but not necessarily the location where ICANN is
incorporated: 

· Consideration of jurisdiction in Work Stream 2 will focus on the
settlement of dispute 

jurisdiction issues and include: 

o Confirming and assessing the gap analysis, clarifying all concerns
regarding the 

multi-layer jurisdiction issue. 

o Identifying potential alternatives and benchmarking their ability to match
all 

CCWG-Accountability requirements using the current framework. 

o Consider potential Work Stream 2 recommendations based on the conclusions
of 

this analysis. 

31 A specific Subgroup of the CCWG-Accountability will be formed to
undertake this work.” 

As I commented also in another subgroup, I feel that we should start exactly
where we left the different issues in ws1 (i.e. the final report), and not
try to reword, selectively quote and/or reorder what was decided then. 

Hope this is helpful 

Regards 

Jorge 

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Betreff: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Staff paper on jurisdiction posted 

I wanted to let you know that the staff paper on Jurisdiction has been
posted at    <https://community.icann.org/x/khWOAw>
https://community.icann.org/x/khWOAw  

Karen Mulberry 

Multistakeholder Strategy and Strategic Initiatives 

ICANN 

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