[Ws2-jurisdiction] RES: WRITTEN ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS RAISED DURING THE CALL

[Olga Cavalli]

Dear colleagues,

this email is to support the request made by Kavouss, also supported by
Benedicto and Jorge.

As Jorge rightly mentiones in his email, this is a very delicate issue and
we must bear in mind our different backgrounds and cultural and linguistic
differences.

Best regards

Olga

2017-08-04 2:35 GMT-03:00 <Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch>:

> Dear all,
>
> Let me again support this request from Kavouss so eloquently explained by
> Benedicto.
>
> And I call for mutual understanding on all sides, especially from Greg and
> the co-chairs: the feeling of not being listened to, of having to repeat
> requests or positions time and again, or the sentiment of not being taken
> into account is quite frustrating, especially when operating from positions
> portrayed by others as "minority" positions or as requiring "express
> support from many"-  whilst other positions are apparently taken instantly
> as "the majority" and are only subjected to a "non objection" standard...
>
> this all is very delicate and perceptions are sometimes influenced by our
> different cultural, linguistic, and professional backgrounds... a most
> delicate task for our rapporteur and the CCWG co-chairs...
>
> kind regards
>
> Jorge
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> Von: Benedicto Fonseca Filho <benedicto.fonseca at itamaraty.gov.br>
> Datum: 4. August 2017 um 02:24:09 MESZ
> An: Jordan Carter <jordan at internetnz.net.nz>, Thomas Rickert <
> thomas at rickert.net>, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx>,
> Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>, Samantha Eisner <
> Samantha.Eisner at icann.org>, ws2-jurisdiction <ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org>,
> Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>, acct-staff at icann.org <
> acct-staff at icann.org>, Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard at gmail.com>
> Betreff: [Ws2-jurisdiction] RES: WRITTEN ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS RAISED
> DURING THE CALL
>
> Dear all,
>
> Let me endorse Kavouss' request - also supported by Seun and Jorge - that
> answers be provided in written form, with whatever disclaimer might be
> necessary to ensure they are not in the form of any official legal advice
> or the like.
>
> Judging from the last call's transcript, not all questions formulated upon
> the rapporteur´s invitation were systematically covered during the call, so
> it is only fair to have the unanswered questions also addressed, preferably
> in written form. I'd also reiterate the views expressed by others: for the
> sake of clarity and to allow and promote further participation, it would be
> necessary to have also in written form (even if succinct) the answers to
> the questions that were supposedly covered during last call as the
> transcript does not allow to clearly correlate each question to each
> comment/answer.
>
> Further, several questions were asked during last call, some of which may
> have been questions that were only asked at that time. It seems that none
> of them had to pass the test of consensus either to be asked or to be
> answered. So it would be unfair now to ask for support for certain
> questions to be asked and then answered, particularly those questions that
> were only asked following the rapporteur's invitation in the mailing list.
>
> Finally, I believe that no one would ever feel their views are
> systematically disregarded if their requests or suggestions were subjected
> to the same test that is applied to other´s proposals…
>
> Best regards,
>
> Benedicto
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> De: ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org [ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org]
> em nome de Kavouss Arasteh [kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com]
> Enviado: quinta-feira, 3 de agosto de 2017 13:48
> Para: Greg Shatan; ws2-jurisdiction; acct-staff at icann.org; Thomas
> Rickert; Samantha Eisner; Bernard Turcotte; Jordan Carter; León Felipe
> Sánchez Ambía
> Assunto: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] WRITTEN ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS RAISED
> DURING THE CALL
>
>
> Greg
>
> I do not understand what you are talking ABOUT
>
> Samantha, during her presentation, three times  emphasized that if  we had
> questions we could  raise them  with her. Read the Transcript.
>
> Two of these three times she referred to me.
>
> Pls do not be so formalistic. Let us do our work.
>
> pls do not complain to anyone about me as it would have negative IMPACT  .
> This issue is important.
>
> Then I was formally invited to raise my questions with her, pls read
> transcript after I was so invited.
>
> What do you want to prove? We are not to be treated like student
>
> We should be respected. The tone of your message is offensive even though
> you have used diplomatic offensive language .That does not work
>
> We are part of a group and must understand each other’s problems
>
> What you stated is quasi preventing me to speak freely?
>
> Why there is prohibition to reply to the invitation that she launched to
> us and to me? Why I should not address my question to ICANN STAFF? She does
> not work for you. She is working for ICANN and we are all part of ICANN i
> replied to Sam’s invitation that is all.
>
> Why I need the approval of the group in which over represented by those
> that do not wish that I talk at all ?
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com<
> mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Kavouss,
>
> Kindly direct your request to the Subgroup, and not to Sam.  This is a
> matter for the Subgroup to consider, rather than any individual
> participant.  The Subgroup can take up your request and decide whether to
> ask for written responses to questions (and if so, which questions).  Thank
> you.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Greg
>
> On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <
> kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com<mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Dear Sam, With tks to your presentation, pls kindly note that I nned
> written answers to the questions raised before the meeting and those during
> the meeing either as intervention or in the chat.
> Regards
> Kavouss
>
>
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