[CCWG-ACCT] Update from Brussels

Dr Eberhard W Lisse el at lisse.NA
Fri Oct 9 07:49:39 UTC 2015


Paul,

I wrote ccTLD managers, not ccNSO Members.

greetings, el

el

On 2015-10-09 09:42, Paul Szyndler wrote:
> Thanks Jordan,
> 
>  
> 
> My questions were intentionally provocative in order to make clear
> my point about the need for ccTLD engagement.
> 
> After all, I was responding to Eberhard’s question directly.
> 
>  
> 
> I acknowledge that consensus models are under consideration.  But
> the voting model has not been discounted.
> 
> As long as it is “on the table”, it is valid for me to use it
> as an example of an issue ccTLDs should be aware of.
> 
>  
> 
> With regard to a “veto” of a ccPDP (and acknowledging
> Stephen’s recent question):
> 
>  
> 
> Let’s assume that the ccNSO initiates a PDP and, after a few
> years of serious work, makes final recommendations.
> 
> This is, appropriately, the exclusive domain of the ccNSO.
> 
> However, when this is presented to the Board, if the PDP outcome
> involves a proposed Bylaw change, it is exposed to potential
> objection by other parts of the community.
> 
> This is not an inconceivable scenario.
> 
> It doesn’t matter whether the issue and the proposed Bylaw
> changes are clearly focussed towards ccTLDs (as one would expect).
> I see the potential that the current CCWG proposal would allow for
> intervention by other SOs and ACs.
> 
> This undermines both the model we have worked for years to develop
> and the independence of cc’s (getting back to Eberhard’s
> point).
> 
>  
> 
> The mechanisms of how it would be blocked, the distribution of
> voting rights and the likelihood of it occurring do not much
> matter in this case.
> 
> The point is that there is the /potential /for a ccNSO PDP to be
> vetoed by others.
> 
> The only alternative is to excise policy development processes
> from the currently-proposed accountability model, but would that
> defeat the purpose of the whole exercise?
> 
>  
> 
> This is just one example of the many strings that need to be
> brought together and addressed before we all agree on a new model
> for accountability for a post-NTIA ICANN.
> 
>  
> 
> Paul
> 
>  
> 
> *From:*Jordan Carter [mailto:jordan at internetnz.net.nz]
> *Sent:* Friday, 9 October 2015 5:48 PM
> *To:* Paul Szyndler <paul.szyndler at auda.org.au>
> *Cc:* Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na>; Lisse Eberhard
> <directors at omadhina.net>; accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Update from Brussels
> 
>  
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>  
> 
> A comment or two re Paul's note below;
> 
> On Friday, 9 October 2015, Paul Szyndler
> <paul.szyndler at auda.org.au <mailto:paul.szyndler at auda.org.au>>
> wrote:
> 
>     Eberhard,
> 
>     I have long appreciated your vehement and unflinching
>     commitment to the independence and autonomy of ccTLDs.
>     However, as cc managers, we constantly face the challenge of
>     balancing this independence against the need for engagement
>     with the broader stakeholder community.
> 
>     I believe that the CCWG is one process we need to engage in.
>     As cc managers, are we happy for "the rest" of the community
>     to arrive at a solution for the future stewardship of ICANN
>     (which includes a place for the ccNSO) without contributing to
>     that process?
> 
>     In whatever membership model the community may arrive at, we
>     ultimately get down to the unsavoury detail of votes and
>     voting mechanisms.  Are you happy with a 5 of 29 voting
>     structure?
> 
>  
> 
> Other models under discussion would see a consensus model rather
> than votes.
> 
>  
> 
>     Are you supportive of a model that has the potential to "veto"
>     a ccPDP?
> 
>  
> 
> This one is mystifying, since nobody has at any point suggested
> any possibility of this.
> 
>  
> 
> What is your novel interpretation of the ccwg's proposal that
> leads you to this curious conclusion?  If you are going to assert
> the conclusion, I think it would be helpful to share the basis for
> it - mainly so that we can fix it so such a problem does not
> occur.
> 
>  
> 
>     Irrespective of whether you answer "yes", "no" or "I don’t
>     care", I believe that these issues are of sufficient
>     significance to warrant our collective attention.
> 
>     At no point have I seen anything in the Stewardship or
>     Accountability processes that threatens the existing internal
>     roles or responsibilities of ccTLD managers.  However, I
>     believe we need to be engaged in the broader ecosystem because
>     these potential changes will have an effect on how each of us
>     can influence our environment in the future.
> 
>  
> 
> Agree.
> 
>  
> 
> Jordan 
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