[CCWG-ACCT] what the Board is objecting to here -

Fri Feb 19 21:38:25 UTC 2016

Ok. If Steve Crocker could also confirm that his understanding is the same,
that would be very helpful.

On the overall point - the board has already made its view on that question
clear. Steve's email doesn't reference the GPI test that is the only basis
the Board has set out to object to ccwg proposals, and which it has invoked
prior.

The intervention thus has two effects. It is a source of uncertainty,
because it isn't clear. And it is a source of delay, because the intent and
the group's response to it has to be clarified.

Once again, we face a further delay thanks to the way the ICANN board has
chosen to behave. I guess I wish I could say I was surprised, or
disappointed - but that's long gone. I'm just confused: what is the end
game here?

If anyone knows, please feel free to share.

Jordan

On Saturday, 20 February 2016, Samantha Eisner <Samantha.Eisner at icann.org>
wrote:

> Hi Becky -
>
> There was another thread on this from Alan, but wanted to confirm in this
> thread too that this is the correct understanding of the Board’s concern.
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
>
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> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] what the Board is objecting to here -
>
> Just for the sake of absolute precision, I think the Board’s point is that
> the carve out – and hence the 3 SO/AC threshold – could apply where an IRP
> determines that the Board’s actions in response to GAC Advice contravene
> the Bylaws.  I think what worries the Board is that the notion that the
> Board could be recalled by 3 SO/AC combination for action that DOES NOT
> contravene the Bylaws.
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> Date: Friday, February 19, 2016 at 1:15 PM
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> Cc: 'Thomas Rickert' <thomas at rickert.net
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> Community <accountability-cross-community at icann.org
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> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Carve-out issue
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> +1
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> *From:* Phil Corwin [mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com
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> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 12:52 PM
> *To:* Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
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> Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
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> accountability-cross-community at icann.org
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> *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Carve-out issue
>
>
>
> Greg:
>
>
>
> Assuming that the new Board position is indeed a response to a minority
> position of a few GAC members, I am in full agreement that it “should serve
> as a warning to us all”.
>
>
>
> Indeed, it emphasizes exactly why the GAC should not be able to block the
> community’s ability to hold the Board accountable for implementing GAC
> consensus advice that the community feels is outside the scope of the
> Bylaws or Mission Statement.
>
>
>
> Best. Philip
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> *From:*accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
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> *On Behalf Of *Greg Shatan
> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 12:38 PM
> *To:* Kavouss Arasteh
> *Cc:* accountability-cross-community at icann.org
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> Thomas Rickert
> *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Carve-out issue
>
>
>
> It is alarming that a few GAC members could seek to undo a carefully
> balanced compromise.  And even more alarming that those few GAC members
> could so quickly trigger a Board intervention.
>
>
>
> The carve-out is balanced against the concerns of other stakeholders with
> regard to (i) the proposed supermajority threshold for Board rejection of
> GAC advice and (ii) the GAC's overall role as a decisional participant in
> the Empowered Community, rather than its traditional advisory capacity.
> The carve-out itself underwent a compromise, requiring the Community to go
> through an IRP before exercising the power of Board recall.
>
>
>
> When one pulls on one end of a compromise, the other end tends to move as
> well.
>
>
>
> Do other stakeholders need to send countervailing warnings?  Will the
> Board respond as quickly? Do we want to find out?
>
>
>
> I think this extraordinary response to a minority report should serve as a
> warning to us all.
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Kavouss Arasteh <
> kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> Please kindly confirm and acknowledge recipt of wanrning message
>
> Regards
>
> Kavouss
>
>
>
> 2016-02-19 18:10 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com');>>:
>
> Dear Co-chairs
>
> You have seen the concerns of 11 Governments which would certainly be
> echoed by other gouvernements soon.
>
> This is an ALARMING SITUATION ,
>
> If there is no consensus means there is no consensus ,
>
> We could not favour one community in disfavouring another one.
>
> Perhaps it was hoped that the people could join the consensus but it does
> not come up as such
>
> If a mistake has occurred we should repair it .
>
> Howmany times we have changed our concept from Voluntry Model to Sole
> member from Sole Member to Sole designator .
>
> THE ISSUE IS CRITICAL
>
> Pls do not rush to publish the report as being sent to the chartering
> organization just hold on for few more days untill your 26 feb. calls
>
> Try to find out some solution including going back to the initial stage of
> REC. 11 without no carve-out and with two options of simple majority and
> 2/3 theshold  and rediscuss that.
>
> You can not ignor the growing concerns of several governments and would
> certainly be further grown up soon
>
> Regards
>
> Kavouss
>
>
>
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