[Alac-sc-outreach] [cropp-rt] ICANN CROP FY19 ready for use by ICANN community

Maureen Hilyard maureen.hilyard at gmail.com
Wed Jul 4 22:39:09 UTC 2018

Thanks for raising these issues.

We have brought our concerns to the attention of our GSE rep for the APRALO
region and the APRALO leadership team is having a skype meeting with Jia
Rong tomorrow evening my time, to discuss the FY19 issue.  Unfortunately
Jia Rong was not in Panama so he had not had a formal notification of the
announcement before we told him!

I will raise the issues you have both raised to get some formal responses.
Fortunately, we work in with our GSE team before we start planning our
regional strategic plan, so that Jia Rong is very much aware of how we
proposed to use our CROP allocations as well as how we propose to attend
other regional events using other sponsors.

Jia Rong is the senior GSE for our region. We also have Save who is the
Oceania GSE rep but he doesn't have any  budget other than to get himself
to regional events. He will be attending the regional event that we will
not be funded to attend because their decision about CROP was announced on
the last day of the required 6 weeks deadline - even without the week of
the GSE approval period that they are now expecting.

We will no doubt hear about what cuts have been made in Jia Rongs budget as
well, so that all we can do is to coordinate something  together that is
realistic as well as hopefully fair to us as well as to ICANN... although
we are coming a very poor second in this situation.


On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>

> Hi Maureen,
> I recall Benedetta stating and it is written in the Blog post and the
> Guidelines
> if there is no Public Meeting or official ICANN meeting occurring in that
> RALO’s region in that FY, a meeting in that region that is assessed by the
> relevant regional Global Stakeholder Engagement (GSE) regional
> vice-president as being: (i) directly and demonstrably related to ongoing
> ICANN policy, advisory or technical activities (e.g. a Regional Internet
> Registry meeting), and (ii) consistent with the ICANN Organization’s
> outreach plan for that region.
> Benedetta Stressed that if there was not an ICANN meeting in our region we
> can use our CROP slots for a meeting that is in our Outreach Plan and that
> was approved by the GSE. The goal she said was to work with the GSE. GSE
> will likely be continuing to support regional and national IGFs. Chris
> Mondini has given money to the IGF USA.
> Her time in our meeting was far too short. She did stress to me that she
> understands that their may not be a meeting but that is why they have given
> a third option, to have a meeting is in our outreach plans and that is
> supported/approved by our GSE. She was stating that there is some
> flexibility and that if a trip is in our outreach plans and is approved by
> GSE it would be allowed.
> Olivier-- We need to ask the GSE for their outreach plans and find out
> from them what they will be supporting this year. If we had known this
> earlier we could have used a slot for the IGF USA since GSE is supporting
> it and it is in their outreach plan. We need to press our GSE people to
> show us their plans and discuss what programs they have supported in the
> past and will likely support in the future
> Maureen--I think when you are Chair you can make outreach more of an
> effort and push to get some one on that committee. You can ask for a rep
> from At-Large and gNSO to be included onto the decision making team when
> they re developing such policies so that we could at least negotiate
> something that it is more fair and reasonable for both parties. I do agree
> is ridiculous they seem to only hear from certain people, for example they
> had no idea that the At Large and NCSG are not allowed to attend the GDD or
> similar summits
> Judith
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> On 7/4/2018 1:01 PM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:
> Dear Maureen,
> the ALAC had a session with CROP staff. Several questions were asked.
> Several answers were given, but I do not recall that we were given
> responses to the very argument that you make below. During the meeting I
> also asked what all of this "ICANN support" meant for a meeting, as we the
> end users are rarely ever told in advance that ICANN is supporting an
> initiative or other. Plus I made the point that the GSE budget is also
> being slashed, so it is likely that GSE will support less events than it
> currently is.
> How do we get responses to this? What is the process to ask GSE what it
> supports?
> To your question why there is no SO/AC representative in these decisions,
> the answer is simple: these programs are staff led.
> Kindest regards,
> Olivier
> On 04/07/2018 02:41, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
> No typo... CROP has now done a complete about turn on its original policy
> which was NOT to include ICANN meetings.  Now it is "mainly for" ICANN
> Public meetings.
> However, "if a RALO or eligible GNSO group has used at least one
> allocation for an ICANN meeting (or ICANN-organized meeting), it may use
> its remaining allocation(s) for meetings that are assessed by the relevant
> regional GSE VP as being directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN
> policy, technical or advisory activities (e.g. RIR meetings). "
> Does that mean *only after* a RALO has used one of its three allocated
> slots for an ICANN meeting? What if an appropriate meeting for CROP occurs
> BEFORE an ICANN meeting opportunity?
> Why isn't a representative from At-Large and gNSO included onto the
> decision making team when they re developing such policies so that we could
> at least negotiate something that it is more fair and reasonable for both
> parties. This is ridiculous.
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:26 PM, Bartlett Morgan <
> bartlett.morgan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> " The new CROP allocates up to three regional trips to each of the five
>> Regional At-Large Organizations (RALOs) and each eligible constituency in
>> the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) – Business Constituency
>> (BC), Intellectual Property Constituency (IPC), Internet Service
>> Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency (ISPCP), Non-Commercial
>> Users Constituency (NCUC), and Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns
>> Constituency (NPOC). With a few specific exceptions as detailed in the new
>> guidelines, these allocations are to be used *mainly for outreach
>> activities at **ICANN Public Meetings in the relevant region or official
>> regional meetings organized by the ICANN** org*. "
>> Typo?
>> --
>> Kind regards,
>> Bartlett D. Morgan
>> On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 at 16:39, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Read the blog post :
>>> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/fy19-community-regional-outr
>>> each-program-crop-ready-for-use-by-eligible-icann-communities
>>> and the CROP FY19 wiki at https://community.icann.org/x/pIRHBQ
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