[Alac-sc-outreach] Urgent questions about CROP guidelines for FY19

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond ocl at gih.com
Fri Jul 20 18:25:07 UTC 2018

Some of you have asked me off-list why I have asked the same questions
since there has already been a discussion thread about exactly the topic
of the three trips and in particular about the trip to an ICANN meeting.
Well, I have posted by thoughts because since 4th July, which is when
the last thread email discussion took place we still do not have an
answer to any of these questions.
Kindest regards,


On 20/07/2018 19:17, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:
> Dear Colleagues,
> I am reading through the CROP FY19 guidelines (
> https://community.icann.org/x/yicFBQ ) and as already mentioned in the
> meeting we had with CROP staff, and wearing my EURALO Chair hat, I
> have real problems understanding the thinking behind some of this
> year's guidelines/restrictions.
> - The first out of the three CROP trips needs to be used on an ICANN
> meeting
> What is the thinking behind this? CROP is meant for Outreach. Outreach
> at an ICANN meeting is already taking place through the Fellowship,
> through the NextGen, through the joint NCSG-ALAC or NCUC-At-Large
> sessions that we have organised. An ICANN meeting already has the
> regional leadership in attendance and they are already organising
> outreach there. We also make sure that we have volunteers at the
> booth, and frankly our experience at the ICANN or RALO booth at an
> ICANN meeting is that there are very few newcomers that are not
> already participating in the various other programs. And then CROP is
> only for 4 days, 3 nights, so anyone attending an ICANN meeting
> through CROP will only be there for an amount of time that is shorter
> than the shortest of ICANN meetings. What good is one person going to
> do when we already have our regular travellers there? So what we risk
> doing is to really waste that slot.
> - Alternatively, the first slot can be used for another type of
> meeting organised by ICANN, such as GDD summits.
> GDD summits are reserved solely for Contracted Parties (rather
> explicitly: https://www.icann.org/gddsummit ) so this does not make
> sense. Other local ICANN meetings are targeted towards a specific type
> of stakeholder, like businesses or government. Any CROP traveller from
> At-Large would not fit in the criteria for participants. Domains Fora
> that organised by ICANN are commercial in scope, so again, this does
> not correspond with the scope of the ALAC. The only meetings that
> would fit the At-Large purview are meetings organised by ICANN for end
> users. To my understanding, in 20 years of history, ICANN has never
> organised such a meeting. I would *really* like to see such a meeting
> being created by ICANN.
> - Then we can use the two remaining CROP slots on an ICANN supported
> meeting
> What does this mean?
>   - does this mean a meeting that ICANN is sponsoring financially?
>   - does this mean a meeting where ICANN is already organising
> sessions/workshops?
>   - does this mean a meeting that is not sponsored by ICANN or where
> ICANN is not organising sessions/workshops, but where a member of the
> ICANN Board or Staff is attending?
> Given that an application needs to be made more than 6 weeks and 5
> working days in advance of the date of the meeting, how is a RALO
> meant to know if ICANN is supporting the above? Is a list of ICANN
> approved meetings going to be published? Or does a RALO need to ask
> the GSE Team each time whether ICANN is supporting this meeting?
> These are my questions/concerns regarding the new CROP process.
> Now onto the second part of my email and it is concerning the CROP RT/PC.
> At the moment, the CROP Review Team (CROP RT) is made up of 10 people
> (plus 2 observers and one Chair), two from each region, who
> collectively look at each CROP application and ensure that the
> application follows the program guidelines, including minimum time for
> an application. It also checks any discrepancy with the application.
> The CROP RT members are selected by each region, with one member
> coming from the Finance & Budget Sub-Committee (FBSC) and one member
> coming from the Outreach & Engagement working group. Why? It is
> because part of the checking of applications is to check that they
> correspond with the ICANN overall Strategy Goals (which the FBSC is
> involved in) and with the Outreach & Engagement plans of the ALAC
> (which the Sub-Committee on Outreach & Engagement is in charge of). I
> do not think that this was well understood. There is a proposal that
> this committee be disbanded/ended.
> The CROP Program Committee (CROP PC) is mandated by the CROP staff as
> this is the Committee that interfaces the ALAC with CROP staff. This
> cannot be disbanded. At present, the CROP PC is exactly the same
> people as the CROP RT. But ending the CROP RT does not let you end the
> CROP PC which needs to remain in operation. So my question which I
> asked on yesterday's call but which I do not think I received a
> response for, was that since we keep the CROP PC but not the CROP RT
> we effectively are not changing the group? The only thing we are doing
> is to take away the method on how we currently select the CROP PC, and
> also remove the need for a CROP RT representative to check other RALO
> CROP applications. Thus this checking would need to be done by CROP
> program staff.
> So my questions here : how can a RALO change its CROP PC
> representatives now? Are these people appointed by the ALAC or by the
> RALOs. Do these people need to be in any other committee (like FBSC or
> O&E)?
> I would appreciate that we work out these issues as soon as possible,
> because until then, EURALO will be in the impossibility to submit a
> CROP request. Our deadline for submitting a CROP request for ICANN
> Barcelona (20th October 2018) is Friday 31st August.
> Kindest regards,
> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
> EURALO Chair
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Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD

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