[bc-gnso] Registry/Registrar Separation

Liz Williams lizawilliams at mac.com
Thu Oct 29 08:57:55 UTC 2009

Hello everyone

I agree with Mikey -- there is more nuance here and we certainly don't  
want to be making long term structural changes without rigourous  

I suggested in the public forum today that, given that ownership  
arrangements are part of registry/registrar contracts and that those  
conditions are within the purview of the PDP process, that we should  
recommend a proper policy development exercise.

If we did it right, we would hear all points of view, have additional  
information from experts AND reach a set of recommendations to advise  
the Board.

On 29 Oct 2009, at 02:56, Mike O'Connor wrote:

> um...
> i think there's more nuance there.
> the reason i started registering domain names in 1993 was because i  
> wanted my own email domain.  i tried to get oconnor.com but it was  
> taken.  so i settled for haven.com instead.
> many years later, i finally got my name in a domain name --  
> oconnor.pro.  so i'm an example of a guy who hand-registered a name  
> in a new gTLD that i couldn't get in an existing one.   
> unfortunately, right after i got that name, i accidentally sold that  
> first domain (haven.com) for a boatload of money and wound up  
> retiring from the ".pro" world.  life's funny that way...
> sure, there's money to be made in premium name auctions and  
> monitization.  but a LOT of people will ALSO be able to get names  
> that they can't get otherwise.  there's room for both, methinks.  i  
> truly don't think the actors in this drama are evil, they're just  
> approaching the problem from a different point of view.  the  
> conversation that's visible by email during the Seoul meeting  
> convinces me that we're getting better at seeing those different  
> points of view and coming to constructive agreements that can meet  
> the needs of all.  we're not great at it yet, but we're getting  
> better.  let's keep working on that.
> mikey
> On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:37 PM, Steve DelBianco wrote:
>> (for those of you not here in Seoul)
>> Below is what I said (not on behalf of BC) today at the Public  
>> Forum, regarding Rr/Ry separation.
>> I Listened to debate over separation. inconclusive (both sides  
>> passionate and articulate)
>>> But I did learn about motivations for Registrars wanting to run  
>>> Registries
>>> I learned about innovative methods for monetizing premium names.
>> What I learned tells me ICANN should reset public expectations  
>> about benefits of new TLDs.
>>> Let’s start being more transparent about the way names will and  
>>> won’t be available to the public.
>>> Let’s limit disappointment when TLDs launch.
>>> And let’s make it less likely that the review team on  
>>> Competition , Consumer Trust, and Choice will give ICANN a failing  
>>> grade.
>> For years, the Rhetoric of expectations has been:  we need new TLDs  
>> to give registrants all those “good names that are unavailable in  
>> current TLDs.
>> That’s the rhetoric.  What’s the reality?
>>> Reality 1: new gTLD applicants will maximize profits on premium  
>>> names, whether by selling them at diff prices, or by having an  
>>> affiliate park the domain with advertising.  That name is never  
>>> going be available to a registrant that wants to use it for  
>>> content or commerce.
>>> Reality 2: will see Innovative ways to identify and control  
>>> premium names at launch, and then afterwards, when words and  
>>> phrases suddenly acquire premium value ( h1n1.whatever)
>> There’s Nothing illegal about that, and new Ry contracts allow  
>> uncapped and variable premium pricing.  And you don’t have to own a  
>> registrar to monetize your names – I’ve been educated about that.
>> But let’s stop kidding ourselves and the internet public about how  
>> new TLDs will let ordinary people register names they want but  
>> can’t get today.
>> -- 
>> Steve DelBianco
>> Executive Director
>> NetChoice
>> http://www.NetChoice.org and http://blog.netchoice.org
>> +1.202.420.7482
> - - - - - - - - -
> phone 	651-647-6109
> fax  		866-280-2356
> web 	www.haven2.com
> handle	OConnorStP (ID for public places like Twitter, Facebook,  
> Google, etc.)

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