[bc-gnso] GNSO Councilor statements on IRTP-B resolution

Wed Jun 22 08:49:44 UTC 2011

For the record.  This was discussed with members who were on the IRTP WG and
with VP Policy of Excomm.

Sincerely,

Zahid Jamil

Barrister-at-law

Jamil & Jamil

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From: owner-bc-gnso at icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso at icann.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Rodenbaugh
Sent: 22 June 2011 15:59
To: 'bc-GNSO at icann.org GNSO list'
Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] GNSO Councilor statements on IRTP-B resolution

While I appreciate the intent, as I too spent many hours as member of this
IRTP-B working group (and many, many other working groups), this line of
thinking is a very dangerous ‘slippery slope’ for business interests in the
GNSO.  

We must acknowledge that working groups are going to be most often dominated
by contracting parties, rather than business interests.  

We must also acknowledge that it is the elected, representative GNSO Council
with bylaw responsibility to develop policy.  Power must remain entirely
with the Council, rather than with unelected, unrepresentative,
self-appointed volunteers to working groups (who can come from literally
anywhere with little or no knowledge of anything).

Typically the Council will follow working group recommendations if it is
satisfied that the group was properly constituted and properly addressed its
Charter.  But Council must have latitude to change or even ignore those
recommendations if it, as a body, sees fit under the circumstances.  And we
should not whine about that, particularly so loudly over such a truly
trivial issue as this one.  So I am disappointed in these comments by my
good friend Zahid, and wish that more would be done to get comments from the
BC list before such comments are made by our representatives.

Mike Rodenbaugh

RODENBAUGH LAW

tel/fax:  +1 (415) 738-8087

http://rodenbaugh.com <http://rodenbaugh.com/> 

From: owner-bc-gnso at icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso at icann.org] On Behalf Of
Steve DelBianco
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 12:33 AM
To: 'bc-GNSO at icann.org GNSO list'
Subject: [bc-gnso] GNSO Councilor statements on IRTP-B resolution

Council unanimously passed a resolution on IRTB  (including deferred
consideration of two items).   Congratulations to BC members Mikey O'Connor,
Chris Chaplow, and Berry Cobb. 

Zahid Jamil and others also recognized importance of respecting the product
and process of Working Groups:

JEFF NEUMAN:   I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE REQUEST OF ICANN STAFF TO FOLLOW
SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS SO WHEN THEY'RE DRAFTING THEIR FINAL REPORT
THAT GOES TO THE BOARD, IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL OR, MORE
IMPORTANTLY, THE ACTUAL WORKING GROUP COULD SEE SO THEY CAN BLESS THAT
BEFORE YOUR REPORT -- YOUR STAFF REPORT GOES TO THE BOARD. IN THE INTEREST
OF OPENNESS AND TRANSPARENCY, IF YOU COULD ACTUALLY RUN IT BY THAT GROUP.

AGAIN, THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION OF THAT GROUP, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE, TO THE
EXTENT WE CAN DO IT, THAT FOLLOWED NOW SO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING IF THAT
COULD HAPPEN. I. THANKS, JEFF. ZAHID.

>>ZAHID JAMIL: THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT IT IS
FANTASTIC THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GOT A CONSENSUS POLICY HERE AND EVERYBODY
IS BEING SUPPORTING IT, INCLUDING US IN THE BUSINESS CONSTITUENCY. HOWEVER I
HAVE BEEN ENCOURAGED AND URGED BY CERTAIN MEMBERS OF MY CONSTITUENCY WHO
WERE ACTUALLY ACTIVELY PART OF THE WORKING GROUP HERE TO MAKE SOME SORT OF
STATEMENT WITH REGARD TO THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE NOW FACED WITH THE NEW
STRUCTURE OF THE GNSO.

THE EVENTS OR CERTAIN DISCUSSIONS ONLINE SORT OF UNDERSCORE THE IMPORTANCE
OF ENSURING THAT IN THIS NEW MODEL, CONSTITUENCIES AND STAKEHOLDER GROUPS
KEEP A VERY CAREFUL HAWKEYE, IF NECESSARY, ON WORK AND DEVELOPMENTS IN THE
DRAFTING TEAMS AND THE WORKING GROUPS, SO THAT WE CAN AVOID SITUATIONS WHERE
POLICY MANAGERS MAY HAVE TO, AT TIMES, TINKER OR CHANGE CERTAIN DECISIONS OR
TAKE DECISIONS CONTRARY, SOMETIMES, TO WHAT THE WORKING GROUPS COME UP WITH,
ESPECIALLY IN THIS BOTTOM-UP POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, SUCH AS WE'VE SEEN
IN THE RAA AND NOW THE POSSIBLY -- EVEN THOUGH I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'VE
JUST DEFERRED IT -- IN THIS RESOLUTION. AND IF WE DON'T, WE RUN THE RISK OF
DISINCENTIVIZING VOLUNTEERS WHO SPEND HEARSE OF HOURS OF THEIR PRECIOUS TIME
WORKING ON THESE EFFORTS, SO I'M GLAD THAT IN THIS RESOLUTION WHAT WE'VE
DONE IS AT LEAST JUST DEFERRED SOME OF THE -- COUPLE OF MOTIONS THERE AND I
JUST WANTED TO AGAIN SAY THAT IT IS FANTASTIC TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE
HARD WORK OF THE WORKING GROUP HAS COME TO FRUITION, BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO
SORT OF AGAIN UNDERSCORE THE IMPORTANCE OF US KEEPING A CAREFUL EYE ON THE
WORK TEAM'S WORK.

>>STÉPHANE VAN GELDER: THANKS, ZAHID. I DON'T WANT TO SAY TOO MUCH, BUT I
JUST -- I DO -- I MEAN, THE MENTAL IS VERY CLEAR. IN THIS INSTANCE, I
ACTUALLY FAIL TO SEE WHY THE MESSAGE IS NECESSARY. I THINK AS TIM EXPLAINED
EARLIER, THERE HAS BEEN NO ATTEMPT BY THE COUNCIL TO CHANGE ANYTHING THAT
HAS COME UP FROM THE WORKING GROUP. IT'S JUST WE'RE GIVING OURSELVES TIME TO
CONSIDER DIFFERENT THINGS IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

BUT I KNOW JEFF WANTS TO SPEAK TO THIS, AND THEN I'LL PASS IT BACK TO YOU.

>>JEFF NEUMAN: YEAH. I MEAN, I -- YOU'VE PRETTY MUCH SAID A LOT OF WHAT I
WAS GOING TO SAY IN THIS INSTANCE I DON'T THINK WE'VE REWRITTEN ANYTHING,
AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT THE GNSO COUNCIL
DISAGREES WITH, PROBABLY IT SHOULD GO BACK TO THE WORKING GROUP AND WE
SHOULD NOT BE SUBSTITUTING OUR OWN OPINION FOR THAT OF THE WORKING GROUP
THAT'S PUT IN A LOT OF EXTRA TIME ON THESE ISSUES.

AND SO I GUESS I AGREE WITH THAT SENTIMENT AND I THINK IN THIS CASE, I THINK
WE'VE DONE THE RIGHT THING.

>>ZAHID JAMIL: THANKS. AS I SAID IN THE CLOSING AND ALSO IN THE BEGINNING,
I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THERE WAS A DEFERRAL HERE, BECAUSE THERE WAS DISCUSSION
OF DOING SOMETHING OTHERWISE. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I POINT OUT THAT THE
WORKING GROUP, SOME OF THE MEMBERS WERE FEELING A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT
CERTAIN THINGS THAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED, SO THAT IS SOME OF THE CONCERN. I
WANTED TO ALLAY SOME OF THOSE FEARS AND I THINK THE COUNCIL HAS DONE THE
RIGHT THING BY DEFERRING AND NOT CHANGING ANYTHING THERE, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT
TO JUST KEEP AN EYE ON THE FACT THAT SOMETIMES WHEN THINGS ARE BEING DONE AT
THE WORKING GROUP LEVEL, BY THE TIME THEY GET TO THE COUNCIL, CONSTITUENCIES
MAY HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES NOT REALIZED WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE, AND IT'S
IMPORTANT TO KEEP AN EYE ON IT AND JUST THAT WAS THE STATEMENT I WANTED TO
MAKE. BUT I AGREE THAT THE COUNCIL HAS TAKEN THE RIGHT DECISION BY NOT
CHANGING THE BOTTOM-UP PROCESS AND INSTEAD JUST SAID OKAY, WE'RE DEFERRING
THIS. THANKS.

>>TIM RUIZ: YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WHAT WE'VE DONE TODAY WAS
TO UNANIMOUSLY ACCEPT EVERY CONSENSUS POLICY RECOMMENDATION MADE BY THIS
WORKING GROUP, SO I DON'T WANT TO -- DON'T WANT US TO -- THAT TO BE
OVERSHADOWED AND THE WORKING GROUP SHOULD BE, AGAIN, APPLAUDED AND THANKED
FOR THEIR HARD WORK AND THE WAY THAT THEY'VE PROCEEDED, SO THAT WE HAVE NO
QUESTION ABOUT THE CONSENSUS THAT EXISTED IN THESE POLICIES.

>>JONATHAN ROBINSON: YEAH. AND I HOPE THIS IS -- THIS IS AT THE RISK OF
OVER-EGGING THE SITUATION BUT TO ME WHAT THIS UNDERLINES AND EMPHASIZES THE
PARTNERS OF THE WORKING GROUPS AND SENDS A VERY CLEAR MESSAGE OUT THAT IF
YOU WANT TO INFLUENCE THE POLICY, GET INVOLVED IN THE WORKING GROUPS AND DO
THAT AND WE WILL TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY.

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