[cc-humanrights] Human Rights and ICANN - session description

Wed Dec 10 21:05:51 UTC 2014

Hi Niels - good ideas including to have 2 part session if needed - some
minor tweaks to the session outline below

Joy 

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To: Rafik Dammak
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Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] Human Rights and ICANN - session description

Hi Rafik,

Could we also go for part 1 and part 2 (so two sessions).

In part 1 we could discuss specific impacts of ICANN of human rights,

In part 2 we could discuss different approaches and solutions, perhaps
already talk a bit about the charter?

Just a thought.

Good luck!

Best,

Niels

 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Niels and everyone,

things are getting complicated since ICANN meetings team are putting as
upper limit of 90min to sessions. I am trying to find some workaround to get
more time but I cannot guarantee anything.
I will work with Jean-Jacques how we can proceed here.
Thanks for the info,
stay tuned.

Rafik

2014-12-10 8:13 GMT+09:00 Niels ten Oever
<niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>:
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On 12/09/2014 12:55 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi everyone,

Hi Rafik,

>
> I think we may move to Wednesday morning at 10:00. the GAC-board 
> meeting is from 8:30 to 9:30. We are still discussing about timing for 
> CCWG on IG meeting.
>
> I  also  strongly advise for 2 hours session only.

OK, sounds good and feasible. I would be happy if we can do it from
10:00 up to 12:30 though, there's so much to discuss. But I'll leave it to
the group and Rafiks intuition.

> what I need as input: - session description , title  and tentative 
> agenda (which will be online)

Title:  Human right and ICANN - continuing the conversation

Description:

There is a growing recognition in parts of the community that some of
ICANN’s policies and other actions may have implications for human rights
like freedom of expression and the right to privacy. While ICANN is not the
place to negotiate over such rights, it would be advisable on 
Insert "technical, legal " delete "political"
 and other grounds to assess whether our work is fully consistent with
internationally agreed human rights laws and policies, and to identify
possible methods for addressing any incompatibilities.

To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by case basis. This
cross-community workshop will consider options for starting a process that
could address them in a more systemic manner.

Tentative agenda:

1. Introductions by facilitator (Niels ten Oever) - 5 minutes 2. Summary of
past discussion (Marilia Maciel) - 10 minutes 3. Short introduction to human
rights and its relevance + Q&A (Joy
Liddicoat) - 20 minutes
4. Presentation of case study on ICANN and human rights + Q&A (Monika
Zalnieriute) 30 minutes
5. Discussion on commencement of a process for a more systemic approach to
human rights and ICANN (45 minutes) 6. Summary (10 minutes) 7. Conclusion.
(5 minutes)

I just made this up (and haven't asked people if they are up for it, even
though I think so), so happy to discuss.

>
> • a breakdown of topics to be discussed • a list of 
> speakers/panellists • an explanation of the session’s goals and 
> expected outcomes • hyperlinks to relevant documentation.
>

Papers are still being developed.

> - expected number of attendees

Based on previous meeting: 80

> - preferred set-up: u shape, theatre, rounds, board, classroom etc

I prefer U shape since it will be a discussion as well.

>
> I will ask of course of for remote participation and adobe connect.
> I need to submit the request by 15th Dec finally, I think that is time 
> to move to more substantive discussion to prepare the session.
>

I hope this helps. Will send a more substantive email about papers
after this.

Best,

Niels

> Rafik
>
> 2014-12-07 9:53 GMT+09:00 Joy Liddicoat
<joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz<mailto:joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
> <mailto:joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz<mailto:joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>>>:
>
> Hi all and thanks for the suggestions as well - Seems Wednesday at
> 9.30 may be least worst option  .... Perhaps we should also be
> willing to consider a slightly shorter session if that helps with
> scheduling (eg to reduce to 2 or 2.5 hours) Joy
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>
> Hi all,
>
> For your reference, the ICANN51 schedule:
> http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule-full
>
> Monday afternoon is risky because it might overlap with ICANN
> accountability discussions, updates on new gTLDs, etc.
>
> Wednesday morning is risky because of the CCWG on Internet
> Governance. But since the latter is from 8:30 - 9:45, if we start
> at 9:30, we should be OK with a slow start. Will you keep the same
> time for Singapore for this workshop Bill ?
>
> If so, I'd go for Wednesday morning.
>
> Best,
>
> Niels
>
>
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> On 12/05/2014 04:06 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>> Hi,
>
>> I meant checking quickly if there are other sessions (e.g.
>> checking schedules in previous ICANN meetings or if someone is
>> aware about new session) to mitigate risks of clashes, after
>> submission we cannot request changes.
>
>> Rafik
>
>> 2014-12-05 23:39 GMT+09:00 Marilia Maciel
>> <mariliamaciel at gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>
> <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>>
>> <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>>>>:
>
>> Yes, I meant Wednesday. Thanks for the correction Niels.
>> Although Olivier mentioned that Monday afternoon is not
>> blocked..
>
>> Considering the meeting will always clash with something else, a
>> 3-hour session could be strategic to allow people to join us at
>> some moment. We could even explicitly divide the session in "part
>> 1" and "part 2", so people that could come (although late) do not
>> feel they missed too much and still feel encouraged to attend. Of
>> course, this is besides the fact that we do have a lot of
>> substantive topics to discuss. I understand Rafik´s point, but
>> maybe we should try to push for the three hours.
>
>> Rafik, do you suggest we wait to book the room, so we coordinate
>> with other sessions being scheduled? Isn´t it dangerous in terms
>> of securing a room for us? I think it is better to have it
>> scheduled as soon as possible. If something substantial changes
>> on the agenda we re-evaluate.
>
>> Best,
>
>> Marília
>
>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Rafik Dammak
>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>>
>> wrote:
>
>> Hi ,
>
>> I think we should see the different SO/AC  sessions ( we have
>> also the CCWG on IG session too!) and find some possible time
>> slot.
>
>> 3 hours is long and not necessarily easy to secure room (while
>> we could do that in London for a different topic , not sure we
>> can reiterate that).
>
>> Rafik
>
>> 2014-12-05 22:59 GMT+09:00 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
>> <ocl at gih.com<mailto:ocl at gih.com>
> <mailto:ocl at gih.com<mailto:ocl at gih.com>>
>> <mailto:ocl at gih.com<mailto:ocl at gih.com>
<mailto:ocl at gih.com<mailto:ocl at gih.com>>>>:
>
>> Hello all,
>
>> it is possible to program for Monday afternoon. They frown upon
>> it because that takes people out of the main room but the ALAC
>> and other WGs have staged meetings on Monday afternoon with
>> little interference. One of the problems is that by killing
>> Fridays the week has become shorter and with the Thursday circus
>> Thursday is now dead. With Monday risking being filled by the
>> circus too we have Tuesday which is impossible due to
>> Constituency day. But guess what, I'm now told some parts of
>> Constituency day might happen on Wednesday morning too. So
>> Wednesday afternoon? Oh now, that's GNSO wrap up. <sigh>
>
>> Olivier
>
>
>> On 05/12/2014 14:41, William Drake wrote:
>>> you can’t program on Monday, they block it out for official
>>> stuff they think is more important.
>>>
>>> I’d ask for Wednesday morning.
>>>
>>> BD
>>>
>>>> On Dec 5, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Niels ten
>>>> Oever<niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>>
>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
<mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>> Hi Rafik,
>>>
>>> You're right. Tuesday is constituency day, so that is ruled
>>> out. Can we do Monday afternoon 13:30 - 16:30 ?
>>>
>>> I also found in the archives we agreed earlier on a three hour
>>> meeting, so let's go for that.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Niels
>>>
>>>
>>> Niels ten Oever Head of Digital
>>>
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>>> On 12/05/2014 02:17 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Niels,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wednesday afternoon has the GNSO council public meeting
>>>>>> and we had such conflict last time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2014-12-05 22:07 GMT+09:00 Niels ten Oever
>>> <niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
<mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>
> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
<mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>>
>>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
>>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>>
<mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
>>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>>>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/04/2014 06:24 PM, Rafik wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Niels,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Rafik,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not senior within ICANN
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, at least more senior than me ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but I guess I can help for this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's excellent. I think we agreed on a session on
>>>>>> Wednesday afternoon, as per Bills proposal. I think two
>>>>>> hours would
>>> suffice.
>>>>>> Three hours seems a but like a an overkill (even though I
>>>>>> know we could easily fill it).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you people think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Niels
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 5 Dec 2014 à 02:20, Niels ten Oever
>>>>>>> <niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>
>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
<mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>>
>>>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
>>>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>>
>>>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
>>>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>>> a
>>> écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems there is consensus about the text for the
>>>>>>> session at ICANN52, or does anyone have any issues with
>>>>>>> this text? All comments are very welcome.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Human right and ICANN - continuing the conversation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a growing recognition in parts of the
>>>>>>> community that some of ICANN’s policies and other
>>>>>>> actions may have implications for human rights like
>>>>>>> freedom of expression and the right to privacy. While
>>>>>>> ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such rights,
>>>>>>> it would be advisable on political and other grounds
>>>>>>> to assess whether our work is fully consistent with
>>>>>>> internationally agreed human rights laws and policies,
>>>>>>> and to identify possible methods for addressing any
>>>>>>> incompatibilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by
>>>>>>> case basis. This cross-community workshop will consider
>>>>>>> options for starting a process that could address them
>>>>>>> in a more systemic manner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What would be the process to request the room? I would
>>>>>>> be happy to send some emails, but given the experiences
>>>>>>> during last ICANN meeting it might be more effective if
>>>>>>> someone more senior in the ICANN hierarchy would send
>>>>>>> it. Any takers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Niels
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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