[cc-humanrights] Human Rights and ICANN - session description

Wed Dec 10 21:11:01 UTC 2014

Sounds good, I am working on my long overdue promised summary paper for 
the Monika report.
Coming soon with apologies for lengthy delay...
Stephanie

On 14-12-10 4:05 PM, Joy Liddicoat wrote:
> Hi Niels - good ideas including to have 2 part session if needed - some
> minor tweaks to the session outline below
>
> Joy
>
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> [mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Niels ten Oever
> Sent: Thursday, 11 December 2014 6:38 a.m.
> To: Rafik Dammak
> Cc: Jean-Jacques Sahel; marilia.maciel at fgv.br; moni >> Zalnieriute, Monika;
> Human Rights
> Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] Human Rights and ICANN - session description
>
> Hi Rafik,
>
> Could we also go for part 1 and part 2 (so two sessions).
>
> In part 1 we could discuss specific impacts of ICANN of human rights,
>
> In part 2 we could discuss different approaches and solutions, perhaps
> already talk a bit about the charter?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Best,
>
> Niels
>
>   Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Niels and everyone,
>
> things are getting complicated since ICANN meetings team are putting as
> upper limit of 90min to sessions. I am trying to find some workaround to get
> more time but I cannot guarantee anything.
> I will work with Jean-Jacques how we can proceed here.
> Thanks for the info,
> stay tuned.
>
> Rafik
>
>
> 2014-12-10 8:13 GMT+09:00 Niels ten Oever
> <niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>:
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> On 12/09/2014 12:55 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
> Hi Rafik,
>
>> I think we may move to Wednesday morning at 10:00. the GAC-board
>> meeting is from 8:30 to 9:30. We are still discussing about timing for
>> CCWG on IG meeting.
>>
>> I  also  strongly advise for 2 hours session only.
>
> OK, sounds good and feasible. I would be happy if we can do it from
> 10:00 up to 12:30 though, there's so much to discuss. But I'll leave it to
> the group and Rafiks intuition.
>
>
>> what I need as input: - session description , title  and tentative
>> agenda (which will be online)
>
> Title:  Human right and ICANN - continuing the conversation
>
> Description:
>
> There is a growing recognition in parts of the community that some of
> ICANN's policies and other actions may have implications for human rights
> like freedom of expression and the right to privacy. While ICANN is not the
> place to negotiate over such rights, it would be advisable on
> Insert "technical, legal " delete "political"
>   and other grounds to assess whether our work is fully consistent with
> internationally agreed human rights laws and policies, and to identify
> possible methods for addressing any incompatibilities.
>
> To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by case basis. This
> cross-community workshop will consider options for starting a process that
> could address them in a more systemic manner.
>
> Tentative agenda:
>
> 1. Introductions by facilitator (Niels ten Oever) - 5 minutes 2. Summary of
> past discussion (Marilia Maciel) - 10 minutes 3. Short introduction to human
> rights and its relevance + Q&A (Joy
> Liddicoat) - 20 minutes
> 4. Presentation of case study on ICANN and human rights + Q&A (Monika
> Zalnieriute) 30 minutes
> 5. Discussion on commencement of a process for a more systemic approach to
> human rights and ICANN (45 minutes) 6. Summary (10 minutes) 7. Conclusion.
> (5 minutes)
>
> I just made this up (and haven't asked people if they are up for it, even
> though I think so), so happy to discuss.
>
>
>> . a breakdown of topics to be discussed . a list of
>> speakers/panellists . an explanation of the session's goals and
>> expected outcomes . hyperlinks to relevant documentation.
>>
> Papers are still being developed.
>
>
>> - expected number of attendees
> Based on previous meeting: 80
>
>> - preferred set-up: u shape, theatre, rounds, board, classroom etc
> I prefer U shape since it will be a discussion as well.
>
>> I will ask of course of for remote participation and adobe connect.
>> I need to submit the request by 15th Dec finally, I think that is time
>> to move to more substantive discussion to prepare the session.
>>
> I hope this helps. Will send a more substantive email about papers
> after this.
>
> Best,
>
> Niels
>
>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2014-12-07 9:53 GMT+09:00 Joy Liddicoat
> <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz<mailto:joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
>> <mailto:joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz<mailto:joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>>>:
>>
>> Hi all and thanks for the suggestions as well - Seems Wednesday at
>> 9.30 may be least worst option  .... Perhaps we should also be
>> willing to consider a slightly shorter session if that helps with
>> scheduling (eg to reduce to 2 or 2.5 hours) Joy
>>
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>> Oever Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2014 4:13 a.m. To: Rafik Dammak;
>> Marilia Maciel Cc: Human Rights Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] Human
>> Rights and ICANN - session description
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> For your reference, the ICANN51 schedule:
>> http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule-full
>>
>> Monday afternoon is risky because it might overlap with ICANN
>> accountability discussions, updates on new gTLDs, etc.
>>
>> Wednesday morning is risky because of the CCWG on Internet
>> Governance. But since the latter is from 8:30 - 9:45, if we start
>> at 9:30, we should be OK with a slow start. Will you keep the same
>> time for Singapore for this workshop Bill ?
>>
>> If so, I'd go for Wednesday morning.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Niels
>>
>>
>> Niels ten Oever Head of Digital
>>
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>> On 12/05/2014 04:06 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I meant checking quickly if there are other sessions (e.g.
>>> checking schedules in previous ICANN meetings or if someone is
>>> aware about new session) to mitigate risks of clashes, after
>>> submission we cannot request changes.
>>> Rafik
>>> 2014-12-05 23:39 GMT+09:00 Marilia Maciel
>>> <mariliamaciel at gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>>
>>> <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com<mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>>>>:
>>> Yes, I meant Wednesday. Thanks for the correction Niels.
>>> Although Olivier mentioned that Monday afternoon is not
>>> blocked..
>>> Considering the meeting will always clash with something else, a
>>> 3-hour session could be strategic to allow people to join us at
>>> some moment. We could even explicitly divide the session in "part
>>> 1" and "part 2", so people that could come (although late) do not
>>> feel they missed too much and still feel encouraged to attend. Of
>>> course, this is besides the fact that we do have a lot of
>>> substantive topics to discuss. I understand Rafik´s point, but
>>> maybe we should try to push for the three hours.
>>> Rafik, do you suggest we wait to book the room, so we coordinate
>>> with other sessions being scheduled? Isn´t it dangerous in terms
>>> of securing a room for us? I think it is better to have it
>>> scheduled as soon as possible. If something substantial changes
>>> on the agenda we re-evaluate.
>>> Best,
>>> Marília
>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Rafik Dammak
>>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>> Hi ,
>>> I think we should see the different SO/AC  sessions ( we have
>>> also the CCWG on IG session too!) and find some possible time
>>> slot.
>>> 3 hours is long and not necessarily easy to secure room (while
>>> we could do that in London for a different topic , not sure we
>>> can reiterate that).
>>> Rafik
>>> 2014-12-05 22:59 GMT+09:00 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
>>> <ocl at gih.com<mailto:ocl at gih.com>
>> <mailto:ocl at gih.com<mailto:ocl at gih.com>>
>>> <mailto:ocl at gih.com<mailto:ocl at gih.com>
> <mailto:ocl at gih.com<mailto:ocl at gih.com>>>>:
>>> Hello all,
>>> it is possible to program for Monday afternoon. They frown upon
>>> it because that takes people out of the main room but the ALAC
>>> and other WGs have staged meetings on Monday afternoon with
>>> little interference. One of the problems is that by killing
>>> Fridays the week has become shorter and with the Thursday circus
>>> Thursday is now dead. With Monday risking being filled by the
>>> circus too we have Tuesday which is impossible due to
>>> Constituency day. But guess what, I'm now told some parts of
>>> Constituency day might happen on Wednesday morning too. So
>>> Wednesday afternoon? Oh now, that's GNSO wrap up. <sigh>
>>> Olivier
>>
>>> On 05/12/2014 14:41, William Drake wrote:
>>>> you can't program on Monday, they block it out for official
>>>> stuff they think is more important.
>>>>
>>>> I'd ask for Wednesday morning.
>>>>
>>>> BD
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 5, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Niels ten
>>>>> Oever<niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>>
>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Hi Rafik,
>>>>
>>>> You're right. Tuesday is constituency day, so that is ruled
>>>> out. Can we do Monday afternoon 13:30 - 16:30 ?
>>>>
>>>> I also found in the archives we agreed earlier on a three hour
>>>> meeting, so let's go for that.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Niels
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Niels ten Oever Head of Digital
>>>>
>>>> Article 19 www.article19.org<http://www.article19.org>
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>>>> On 12/05/2014 02:17 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Niels,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wednesday afternoon has the GNSO council public meeting
>>>>>>> and we had such conflict last time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2014-12-05 22:07 GMT+09:00 Niels ten Oever
>>>> <niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>
>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>>
>>>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
>>>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>>
> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
>>>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>>>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/04/2014 06:24 PM, Rafik wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Niels,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Rafik,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not senior within ICANN
>>>>>>> Well, at least more senior than me ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but I guess I can help for this.
>>>>>>> That's excellent. I think we agreed on a session on
>>>>>>> Wednesday afternoon, as per Bills proposal. I think two
>>>>>>> hours would
>>>> suffice.
>>>>>>> Three hours seems a but like a an overkill (even though I
>>>>>>> know we could easily fill it).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you people think?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Niels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Le 5 Dec 2014 à 02:20, Niels ten Oever
>>>>>>>> <niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>
>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org<mailto:niels at article19.org>>>> a
>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> It seems there is consensus about the text for the
>>>>>>>> session at ICANN52, or does anyone have any issues with
>>>>>>>> this text? All comments are very welcome.
>>>>>>>> _________
>>>>>>>> Human right and ICANN - continuing the conversation
>>>>>>>> There is a growing recognition in parts of the
>>>>>>>> community that some of ICANN's policies and other
>>>>>>>> actions may have implications for human rights like
>>>>>>>> freedom of expression and the right to privacy. While
>>>>>>>> ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such rights,
>>>>>>>> it would be advisable on political and other grounds
>>>>>>>> to assess whether our work is fully consistent with
>>>>>>>> internationally agreed human rights laws and policies,
>>>>>>>> and to identify possible methods for addressing any
>>>>>>>> incompatibilities.
>>>>>>>> To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by
>>>>>>>> case basis. This cross-community workshop will consider
>>>>>>>> options for starting a process that could address them
>>>>>>>> in a more systemic manner.
>>>>>>>> ________
>>>>>>>> What would be the process to request the room? I would
>>>>>>>> be happy to send some emails, but given the experiences
>>>>>>>> during last ICANN meeting it might be more effective if
>>>>>>>> someone more senior in the ICANN hierarchy would send
>>>>>>>> it. Any takers?
>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>> Niels
>>>>>>>
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