[cc-humanrights] cc-humanrights Digest, Vol 10, Issue 23
Coppens Pasteur NDAYIRAGIJE
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Wed Sep 30 11:31:24 UTC 2015
Most important think is the development of sens of responsibility.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------With kind regards;Coppens Pasteur NDAYIRAGIJEIT Specialist; System and Network Administrator-Manager of the Government Communication System (COMGOV) & National Datacenter at SETIC Burundi; Chairman of BurundiX A.S.B.L/ Burundian IXP Non-profit Association; and ISOC Burundi Chapter Member.
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On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 12:18 PM, Chris LaHatte <chris.lahatte at icann.org> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] cc-humanrights Digest, Vol 10, Issue 23 Susan Good evening; as “staff” can I just confirm that many of us have been fighting HR issues for many years; we are all ultimately accountable; whatever our roles; Best Nigel From: Niels ten Oever <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of susan aaronson <saaronson2 at verizon.net>
Date: Tuesday 29 September 2015 21:22
To: Human Rights <cc-humanrights at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] cc-humanrights Digest, Vol 10, Issue 23 I made exactly that point in my comments on the document.
You need to illuminate the "How" to IcANN and someone on the board has to take responsibility for the staff that will be held accountable for implementing human rights. On 9/29/2015 3:20 PM, cc-humanrights-request at icann.org wrote:
Send cc-humanrights mailing list submissions to cc-humanrights at icann.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-humanrightsor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cc-humanrights-request at icann.org You can reach the person managing the list at cc-humanrights-owner at icann.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of cc-humanrights digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: draft agenda public session (Michele Neylon - Blacknight) 2. Re: draft agenda public session (Stephanie Perrin) 3. Re: draft agenda public session (Alexandra Kulikova) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 18:43:10 +0000From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>Cc: "cc-humanrights at icann.org" <cc-humanrights at icann.org>Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] draft agenda public sessionMessage-ID: <6E5C1185-6F94-4138-94C2-62C41F1F868F at blacknight.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Implementation cannot be in a vacuumUnfortunately with the best intentions in the world it gets overlooked.. Mr. Michele NeylonBlacknighthttp://www.blacknight.irishSent from a small shiny object so excuse fat fingers!
On 29 Sep 2015, at 19:20, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote: concerns about implementation is a likely comment. But lets not drop Avri, lets just broaden the discussion to include some who will argue that piece.SP
On 2015-09-29 7:59, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:Avri Nobody is going to say they don?t support human rights :) What they might say is that they have concerns about how this is handled ? Regards Michele --Mr Michele NeylonBlacknight SolutionsHosting, Colocation & Domainshttp://www.blacknight.host/http://blog.blacknight.com/http://ceo.hosting/Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090-------------------------------Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,SleatyRoad,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
On 29/09/2015 12:57, "cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of avri at acm.org> wrote: good point.perhaps replace me with someone from the GNSO who does not support humanrights? avri
On 29-Sep-15 05:06, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:Niels > > Just a thought, but wouldn?t it be beneficial to have someone who
wasn?t on your side? > I know there has been pushback on the ?humanrights? issue with respect to CCWG / IANA etc., and having someone fromthat side of the house might be more beneficial. > > Regards > > Michele
-- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions > Hosting, Colocation
& Domains > http://www.blacknight.host/ > http://blog.blacknight.com/ >http://ceo.hosting/ > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > Direct Dial: +353(0)59 9183090 > ------------------------------- > Blacknight InternetSolutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty >Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 > > > > > > > >On 29/09/2015 00:16, "cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf ofNiels ten Oever" <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf ofniels at article19.org> wrote: >
Hello everyone, Please find underneath my proposal for the draft agenda. Lookingforward to hear your ideas and criticisms. I was thinking of askingmore people to comment, but I'm afraid the number is already quitehigh. Looking forward to hear what you think. Best, Niels PS I did not confirm anyone yet. Draft Agenda CCWP HR public session=================================== Welcome and Introductions (Niels & Rafik) - 5 minutes Update on GAC WG on Human Rights and International Law (GAC WGco-chairs / Lee Hibbard) - 5 minutes Update on CCWG WP4 on human rights (Leon Sanchez) - 5 minutes Presentation chart (Marilia) - 10 minutes Presentation new report on Human Rights Impact assessments and CSRreporting (Motoko) - 20 minutes Comments by Leon Sanchez (Chair CCWG WP4) Comments by Greg Shatan (IPC) Comments by Patrik Falstrom (SSAC) Comments by Avri Doria (GNSO) Comments by Olivier Crepin-Leblond (ALAC) Comments by Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (board) Q&A Summary (Marilia)
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------------------------------ Message: 2Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:28:39 -0400From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>To: <cc-humanrights at icann.org>Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] draft agenda public sessionMessage-ID: <560AD857.7090501 at mail.utoronto.ca>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Joe Alhadeff, if he is around. NEed a business constituency person, I would suggest.SPOn 2015-09-29 9:53, Niels ten Oever wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----Hash: SHA256 Great idea Michele, that's why I proposed Greg. But happy to addothers. Any suggestions for people to add? Or would you be interestedin asking critical questions? Best, Niels Niels ten OeverHead of Digital Article 19www.article19.org PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 On 09/29/2015 02:38 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Avri As a European registrar I?m very conscious that ICANN is forcing abunch of things via policy + contract that are, essentially,illegal. But I?d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made.Simply committing to something and assuming it?ll be sorted outlater has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within theICANN space.. So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarityon a variety of things before pushing hard for it. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation &Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353(0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight InternetSolutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,SleatyRoad,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 On 29/09/2015 13:35, "cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf ofAvri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf ofavri at acm.org> wrote:
Hi, Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who did notsupport a HR bylaw. We all have questions about how a commitment is implemented, buti think there is a divison between those who belive in thecommittment first and working it out as we go. And those who want to know exactly what the future holds beforemaking a committment to HR. So I differentiate between "I support hr, but ..." and "I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are going toimplement this" avri
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------------------------------ Message: 3Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 22:19:53 +0300From: Alexandra Kulikova <alex.kulikova at gmail.com>To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>Cc: Human Rights <cc-humanrights at icann.org>Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] draft agenda public sessionMessage-ID: <CAK0REaOGy5P2R3azZDO2KY2GGd6RZWk2WDM_Zepp1jB5LWXYgA at mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi all There was a guy from GoDaddy at the f2f on Saturday who was critical.They'd be interesting to have in the room after that hr fallout they had reblocking Crimean domains in February when forced to implement sanctions. A.On 29 Sep 2015 21:44, "Stephanie Perrin" <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>wrote:
Joe Alhadeff, if he is around. NEed a business constituency person, Iwould suggest.SPOn 2015-09-29 9:53, Niels ten Oever wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----Hash: SHA256 Great idea Michele, that's why I proposed Greg. But happy to addothers. Any suggestions for people to add? Or would you be interestedin asking critical questions? Best, Niels Niels ten OeverHead of Digital Article 19www.article19.org PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 On 09/29/2015 02:38 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Avri As a European registrar I?m very conscious that ICANN is forcing abunch of things via policy + contract that are, essentially,illegal. But I?d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made.Simply committing to something and assuming it?ll be sorted outlater has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within theICANN space.. So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarityon a variety of things before pushing hard for it. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation &Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353(0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight InternetSolutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,SleatyRoad,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 On 29/09/2015 13:35, "cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf ofAvri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf ofavri at acm.org> wrote: Hi,
Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who did notsupport a HR bylaw. We all have questions about how a commitment is implemented, buti think there is a divison between those who belive in thecommittment first and working it out as we go. And those who want to know exactly what the future holds beforemaking a committment to HR. So I differentiate between "I support hr, but ..." and "I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are going toimplement this" avri
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