[cc-humanrights] cc-humanrights Digest, Vol 10, Issue 23

Stephanie Perrin stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Tue Sep 29 20:38:01 UTC 2015 

I agree, and the sooner the conversation starts, the better will be the 
policy from which it hangs.  It might be useful to invite one of the 
Board members who does not "get it" wrt why we are looking for human 
rights in the Bylaws.  It will help us communicate better if we 
understand our failures.
Stephanie Perrin

On 2015-09-29 15:22, susan aaronson wrote:
> I made exactly that point in my comments on the document.
> You need to illuminate the "How" to IcANN and someone on the board has 
> to take responsibility for the staff that will be held accountable for 
> implementing human rights.
>
> On 9/29/2015 3:20 PM, cc-humanrights-request at icann.org wrote:
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>>     1. Re: draft agenda public session (Michele Neylon - Blacknight)
>>     2. Re: draft agenda public session (Stephanie Perrin)
>>     3. Re: draft agenda public session (Alexandra Kulikova)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 18:43:10 +0000
>> From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight<michele at blacknight.com>
>> To: Stephanie Perrin<stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
>> Cc:"cc-humanrights at icann.org"  <cc-humanrights at icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] draft agenda public session
>> Message-ID:<6E5C1185-6F94-4138-94C2-62C41F1F868F at blacknight.com>
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>> Implementation cannot be in a vacuum
>> Unfortunately with the best intentions in the world it gets overlooked..
>>   
>>
>> Mr. Michele Neylon
>> Blacknight
>> http://www.blacknight.irish
>> Sent from a small shiny object so excuse fat fingers!
>>
>>> On 29 Sep 2015, at 19:20, Stephanie Perrin<stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>  wrote:
>>>
>>> concerns about implementation is a likely comment.  But lets not drop Avri, lets just broaden the discussion to include some who will argue that piece.
>>> SP
>>>
>>>> On 2015-09-29 7:59, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>>>> Avri
>>>>
>>>> Nobody is going to say they don?t support human rights :)
>>>>
>>>> What they might say is that they have concerns about how this is handled ?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Michele
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mr Michele Neylon
>>>> Blacknight Solutions
>>>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>>>> http://www.blacknight.host/
>>>> http://blog.blacknight.com/
>>>> http://ceo.hosting/
>>>> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>> On 29/09/2015 12:57,"cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria"  <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of avri at acm.org>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> good point.
>>>>> perhaps replace me with someone from the GNSO who does not support human
>>>>> rights?
>>>>>
>>>>> avri
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29-Sep-15 05:06, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>>>>>> Niels > > Just a thought, but wouldn?t it be beneficial to have someone who
>>>>> wasn?t on your side? > I know there has been pushback on the ?human
>>>>> rights? issue with respect to CCWG / IANA etc., and having someone from
>>>>> that side of the house might be more beneficial. > > Regards > > Michele
>>>>>>> -- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions > Hosting, Colocation
>>>>> & Domains >http://www.blacknight.host/  >http://blog.blacknight.com/  >
>>>>> http://ceo.hosting/  > Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072 > Direct Dial: +353
>>>>> (0)59 9183090 > ------------------------------- > Blacknight Internet
>>>>> Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty >
>>>>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845 > > > > > > > >
>>>>> On 29/09/2015 00:16,"cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of Niels ten Oever"  <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of niels at article19.org>  wrote: >
>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please find underneath my proposal for the draft agenda. Looking
>>>>>> forward to hear your ideas and criticisms. I was thinking of asking
>>>>>> more people to comment, but I'm afraid the number is already quite
>>>>>> high. Looking forward to hear what you think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Niels
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS I did not confirm anyone yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Draft Agenda CCWP HR public session
>>>>>> ===================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Welcome and Introductions (Niels & Rafik) - 5 minutes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Update on GAC WG on Human Rights and International Law (GAC WG
>>>>>> co-chairs / Lee Hibbard)    - 5 minutes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Update on CCWG WP4 on human rights (Leon Sanchez)    - 5 minutes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Presentation chart (Marilia)    - 10 minutes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Presentation new report on Human Rights Impact assessments and CSR
>>>>>> reporting (Motoko)    - 20 minutes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comments by Leon Sanchez (Chair CCWG WP4)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comments by Greg Shatan (IPC)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comments by Patrik Falstrom (SSAC)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comments by Avri Doria (GNSO)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comments by Olivier Crepin-Leblond (ALAC)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comments by Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (board)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Q&A
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Summary (Marilia)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:28:39 -0400
>> From: Stephanie Perrin<stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
>> To:<cc-humanrights at icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] draft agenda public session
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>> Joe Alhadeff, if he is around.  NEed a business constituency person, I
>> would suggest.
>> SP
>> On 2015-09-29 9:53, Niels ten Oever wrote:
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>>> Great idea Michele, that's why I proposed Greg. But happy to add
>>> others. Any suggestions for people to add? Or would you be interested
>>> in asking critical questions?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Niels
>>>
>>> Niels ten Oever
>>> Head of Digital
>>>
>>> Article 19
>>> www.article19.org
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>>> On 09/29/2015 02:38 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>>>> Avri
>>>>
>>>> As a European registrar I?m very conscious that ICANN is forcing a
>>>> bunch of things via policy + contract that are, essentially,
>>>> illegal.
>>>>
>>>> But I?d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made.
>>>> Simply committing to something and assuming it?ll be sorted out
>>>> later has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within the
>>>> ICANN space..
>>>>
>>>> So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarity
>>>> on a variety of things before pushing hard for it.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Michele
>>>>
>>>> -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation &
>>>> Domainshttp://www.blacknight.host/  http://blog.blacknight.com/
>>>> http://ceo.hosting/  Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072 Direct Dial: +353
>>>> (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet
>>>> Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
>>>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29/09/2015 13:35,"cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria"  <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of avri at acm.org>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who did not
>>>>> support a HR bylaw.
>>>>>
>>>>> We all have questions about how a commitment is implemented, but
>>>>> i think there is a divison between those who belive in the
>>>>> committment first and working it out as we go.
>>>>>
>>>>> And those who want to know exactly what the future holds before
>>>>> making a committment to HR.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I differentiate between
>>>>>
>>>>> "I support hr, but ..."
>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> "I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are going to
>>>>> implement this"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> avri
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>> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 22:19:53 +0300
>> From: Alexandra Kulikova<alex.kulikova at gmail.com>
>> To: Stephanie Perrin<stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
>> Cc: Human Rights<cc-humanrights at icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] draft agenda public session
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>> Hi all
>>
>> There was a guy from GoDaddy at the f2f on Saturday who was critical.
>> They'd be interesting to have in the room after that hr fallout they had re
>> blocking Crimean domains in February when forced to implement sanctions.
>>
>> A.
>> On 29 Sep 2015 21:44, "Stephanie Perrin"<stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe Alhadeff, if he is around.  NEed a business constituency person, I
>>> would suggest.
>>> SP
>>> On 2015-09-29 9:53, Niels ten Oever wrote:
>>>
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>>>> Great idea Michele, that's why I proposed Greg. But happy to add
>>>> others. Any suggestions for people to add? Or would you be interested
>>>> in asking critical questions?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Niels
>>>>
>>>> Niels ten Oever
>>>> Head of Digital
>>>>
>>>> Article 19
>>>> www.article19.org
>>>>
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>>>> On 09/29/2015 02:38 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Avri
>>>>>
>>>>> As a European registrar I?m very conscious that ICANN is forcing a
>>>>> bunch of things via policy + contract that are, essentially,
>>>>> illegal.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I?d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made.
>>>>> Simply committing to something and assuming it?ll be sorted out
>>>>> later has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within the
>>>>> ICANN space..
>>>>>
>>>>> So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarity
>>>>> on a variety of things before pushing hard for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Michele
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation &
>>>>> Domainshttp://www.blacknight.host/  http://blog.blacknight.com/
>>>>> http://ceo.hosting/  Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072 Direct Dial: +353
>>>>> (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet
>>>>> Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
>>>>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29/09/2015 13:35,"cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria"  <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of avri at acm.org>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who did not
>>>>>> support a HR bylaw.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We all have questions about how a commitment is implemented, but
>>>>>> i think there is a divison between those who belive in the
>>>>>> committment first and working it out as we go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And those who want to know exactly what the future holds before
>>>>>> making a committment to HR.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I differentiate between
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I support hr, but ..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are going to
>>>>>> implement this"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>
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