[Acct-Legal] Memorandum of Request for Legal Advice: Questions from Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva

Thu Apr 9 17:43:13 UTC 2015

Sounds good. We are on board.

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Subject: Re: [Acct-Legal] Memorandum of Request for Legal Advice: Questions from Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva

I support this approach and look forward to better understanding both the empowered designator model and a true membership model.

I expect we will end up with a tapestry of recommendations rather than a single mechanism that meets all of our needs, but sorting out the structural model question would be a big step forward.

Thanks much!
Robin

On Apr 9, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Edward Morris wrote:

Hi Greg and David,

Thank you both for doing such great work. I fully support David's suggestion.

Best,

Ed

On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>> wrote:
I also support David's suggestion on process.  Holly is on a plane right now.  It would be good to be able to give her the green light on this suggestion when she lands in a couple of hours.  Please respond with agreement.  More importantly, pleeeeeease respond if you disagree.  At some point, silence must be taken as consent, in this instance.

Greg

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On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Athina Fragkouli <athina.fragkouli at ripe.net<mailto:athina.fragkouli at ripe.net>> wrote:
Hello,

Many thanks to Greg for following up with the questions.

I agree with David's approach and I support his suggestion.

Athina

On 09/04/15 14:34, McAuley, David wrote:
> Thank you Greg for passing questions along and ensuring that we keep
> track as they come in. I think Leon has already started work on a
> compilation of questions to lodge in a central place and this will help
> him in that effort when he returns.
>
>
>
> I write now to suggest that the legal sub-team give our outside counsel
> some prioritization to work and questions for the period from now
> through Monday, prior to the next CCWG call.
>
>
>
> My suggestion is that we ask them to now formulate an initial “holistic”
> advice to the CCWG (taking into account WPs focus as well) on what
> counsel suggest as the best way forward with respect to the entire
> series of Work Stream One topics. Perhaps, now that the ARIN memo is on
> the table, a balance between membership and designator models would be
> appropriate as well, comparing and contrasting them in the context of
> what we need to achieve for WS1.
>
>
>
> By now, Sidley and Adler have heard/seen enough to have an appreciation
> for what we are attempting to achieve vis-à-vis ICANN accountability and
> seem prepared to render at least initial advice for this critical stage
> as we work to get a draft proposal out April 21. Obviously the work will
> continue beyond that and the list of questions will be there for
> attention as appropriate.
>
>
>
> I think this is consistent with what Holly Gregory noted at the close of
> the WP1 call last evening (21:00 to 23:00 UTC). I believe she said they
> would look at the templates WP1 asked about and put a cover memo on it –
> think she was referring to a generalized “holistic” cover note.
>
>
>
> So I suggest that Holly, as the coordinating counsel between
> Sidley/Austin and Adler/Colvin, partition the work involved as she best
> determines to take account of required expertise and to maintain that
> duplicate efforts/costs are not incurred – and deliver an initial
> overall advice that would help the CCWG better, perhaps (IMO), than
> would a series of answers to a series of questions.
>
> I think this then will give us time as the sub-team to react and ask
> follow-ups and may be the best way to get in shape for CCWG work April
> 20-21.
>
>
>
> IMO, we still need to compile all the questions posed from us and the
> community so we do not lose sight of them for further work - and these
> questions may better help the firms understand where we are coming from
> as another insight into context.
>
>
>
> As one member of the team I cannot give direction, but hope the
> suggestion may help us.
>
>
>
> David McAuley
>
>
>
> *From:*ccwg-accountability5-bounces at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-accountability5-bounces at icann.org>
> [mailto:ccwg-accountability5-bounces at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-accountability5-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Greg Shatan
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 09, 2015 1:13 AM
> *To:* ccwg-accountability5 at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-accountability5 at icann.org>
> *Subject:* [Acct-Legal] Memorandum of Request for Legal Advice:
> Questions from Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva
>
>
>
>
> Counsel:
>
>
>
> As discussed today on the Legal Sub Team call, this is a formal
> authorization to review and respond to the questions set forth below
> from  Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva.
>
>
>
> Please let the Legal Sub Team know if you have any questions.
>
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>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
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> Date: Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:44 AM
> Subject: Fwd: [CCWG-ACCT] Accountability questions to law firms
> To: "ccwg-accountability5 at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-accountability5 at icann.org>
> <mailto:ccwg-accountability5 at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-accountability5 at icann.org>>" <ccwg-accountability5 at icann.org<mailto:ccwg-accountability5 at icann.org>
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> Legal Subteam and Counsel:
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> I am forwarding this email and the two following in this thread to the
> Legal Subteam for consideration as an assignment/instruction to counsel
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> Greg Shatan
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> From: *Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva* <pedro.ivo at itamaraty.gov.br<mailto:pedro.ivo at itamaraty.gov.br>
> <mailto:pedro.ivo at itamaraty.gov.br<mailto:pedro.ivo at itamaraty.gov.br>>>
> Date: Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 10:41 AM
> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Accountability questions to law firms
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> Dear CCWG-colleagues,
>
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>
> Please find below a group of questions to be posed to the law firms
> assisting the CCWG-Accountability.
>
>
>
> ·         Are there any restrictions in California law  or in applicable
> federal US-law with respect to government officials (US or foreign)
> becoming statutory members (or designators) of a non-profit
> organization? Would all liabilities applied to US or foreign citizens in
> a membership (or designator) structure  equally apply to a government
> official which has legal immunity and privileges in the United States?
>
>
>
> ·         What are the specific legal requirements for a third-party
> which may have approval or veto rights over board decisions and what are
> its liabilities?
>
>
>
> ·         A community veto  (be it exercised in a membership or a
> designator structure) over a bylaw change could be potentially reverted
> through a court decision in California? Same question applies to a
> decision made by an Independent Appeals Panel mechanism.
>
>
>
> ·         The fact that the "board bears ultimate responsibility for
> corporate decisions and must provide oversight of the exercise of those
> powers it has delegated" (Sidley Austin LLP, Initial Discussion Draft 1,
> p. 3) implies that the board may eventually revert a community veto
> (member or designator structure) over its own decision or over the
> budget it has originally approved?
>
>
>
> ·         Is the Californian Attorney General able to intervene in
> ICANN's operations upon the complaint of a government (US or other)? How
> does this situation relate to norms of international private law
> internalized by the United States?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Secretário
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