[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your input - Open Internet definition

[Manal Ismail]

Dear All ..

Apologies to weigh in late in this discussion .. After trying to catch up with this much appreciated interactive exchange:

-          I like how the definition of “Open Internet” is developing as proposed by Elliot and modified by Sylvia reflecting comments by other colleagues as well

-          Yet “Open Internet” is too broad so:

o   I think we still need the level of explanation provided by Daniel, not as a definition but as a complementary and guiding explanation of what maybe included and what shouldn’t

o   At the same time, I also agree to maintaining some flexibility otherwise we will be funding what ICANN would have funded anyway ..

-          So we need to hit the right balance between what falls within ICANN’s remit and what ICANN would have funded anyway and also about maintaining flexibility without funding anything that would go beyond ICANN’s mandate ..
Kind Regards
--Manal


From: ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org [mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Sylvia Cadena
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 4:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your input - Open Internet definition

Sure Elliot, I just had a go at editing your proposed definition, happy to review the details and discussed. On yours, you mentioned training (but only for users) so I added the one for those making it work. You also mentioned policy (I added regulation) and affordability. I just put the 2 of them on a track changes document, so that it is easier to compare and review.  See attached.

I also added some thoughts about the comments that Seun mentioned about differences… hope I captured them correctly.

Regards,

Sylvia


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From: elliot noss <enoss at tucows.com<mailto:enoss at tucows.com>>
Date: Tuesday, 22 August 2017 at 10:14 pm
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Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your input - Open Internet definition

There are some elements of sylvia’s edits which I like as sentiment but not as they relate to the Open Internet. The Open Internet is a passive concept (a park for us children to play in and create). Some elements like training, policy and affordability are active concepts. I support those concepts in places and projects but do not see them as being part of the definition of Open Internet.

They could well be part of defining what we as a group support in connection with the Open Internet. I hope that distinction makes sense.

EN

On Aug 22, 2017, at 1:50 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com<mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>> wrote:

Thinking aloud: can Internet really be said to  "respect differences" Espcially that related to culture. I have my doubt on that one.

Cheers!
Sent from my mobile
Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Aug 22, 2017 2:53 AM, "Sylvia Cadena" <sylvia at apnic.net<mailto:sylvia at apnic.net>> wrote:
I think Elliot’s proposed definition is a good start. I also like the “elevator pitch” approach that Evan shared, guess we can find something in the middle.

However, a couple of points to add:

1.       Training on how to manage and operate the network is also important to be included. The Internet does not magically appear, it is the hard work of many men and women engineers and technicians that make it work.
2.       Governments are not the only ones providing training, and mentioning them directly on the definition places probably too much attention on their role
3.       Restrict access is not only happening because of political views but also socio-economic status, gender, geography/location and others. It might be best not to highlight any in particular (as we might miss some) and summarize it around discriminations instead
4.       Translating “stack” for “layer” will be a lot more appropriate as suggested by someone else. Stack/layer does not translate as scale, though. I have not included it in my edits below though…

With that into account, I have edited Elliot’s text as follows:

“…an Internet that is equally accessible to all people for all purposes, and at every layer.

That means that no impediments are placed based on the sender, recipient, content, application or type of data being transmitted
That means that policy and regulation promote, support, facilitate and guarantee access
That means equality of access at a pragmatic level is ensured by assuring access at prices affordable to all members of society
That means training is available about how to manage, operate and use the Internet, as well as education in how to use it effectively
That means participation on an equal footing at all levels is encouraged, specially by those that might be discriminated against

An open Internet is one in which all people are empowered to contribute and to participate in building a worldwide culture that opens our hearts and minds by respecting differences. It is an Internet that we, the people of the world, recognize as ours  — something we have built together for one another.”

Sylvia


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