[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] [Ext] Re: Proposed Agenda - new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting on 16 November at 14.00 UTC

Thu Nov 16 05:47:17 UTC 2017

Hi everyone.. I think the discussion expanded from whether or not we should
include Vanda's question...

M

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
wrote:

> I agree. I think we are getting way ahead of ourselves. It is not yet
> clear we will have an organization with a board, and even if we do, it is
> not clear that the board needs the background to be making project
> decisions or how to advertise the program(s). An aircraft company board
> does not necessarily need to be composed of aeronautical engineers.
>
> Alan
> --
> Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.
>
>
> On November 16, 2017 12:09:22 AM EST, Sylvia Cadena <sylvia at apnic.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> Again, that is a conversation that might happen if the group decides to
>> support as a mechanism the creation of a new foundation, but if the groups
>> sets on a different mechanism, then we do not need to discuss this issue of
>> board representation.
>>
>>
>>
>> If we set on other mechanism, we might focus on how make sure the
>> selection and allocation balance merit, geographical distribution,
>> representation of developing economies, benefit, etc. without talking about
>> board representation…
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope we can eat this elephant, one bite at the time.
>>
>>
>>
>> ————
>>
>>
>>
>> Sylvia Cadena | sylvia at apnic.net | APNIC Foundation - Head of Programs |
>> +10 GMT Brisbane, Australia | http://www.apnic.foundation
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org> on
>> behalf of Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
>> *Date: *Thursday, 16 November 2017 at 8:12 am
>> *To: *Maureen Hilyard Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *"ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org" <ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] [Ext] Re: Proposed Agenda - new
>> gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting on 16 November at 14.00 UTC
>>
>>
>>
>> i think we can address that, Maureen, in criteria for the Board for the
>> new foundation, which is what I favor as the mechanism.
>>
>>
>>
>> We could establish a criteria of at least two from regions, and also from
>> sub regions on the board.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am going to go for more than one person on the board to note that we
>> need many from the sub regions and regions.
>>
>>
>>
>> For North America, for instance, I am not the person, but someone from
>> the indigenous peoples could be.
>>
>>
>>
>> Marilyn
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 15, 2017 4:13 PM
>> *To:* Marilyn Cade
>> *Cc:* Vanda Scartezini; ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] [Ext] Re: Proposed Agenda - new
>> gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting on 16 November at 14.00 UTC
>>
>>
>>
>> But Marilyn, can I just add that you would be hard pressed to find a
>> representative from from one of the under-served regions that Vanda and I
>> are focusing on. within these large organisations, and this is our point.
>>
>>
>>
>> We need to be able to ensure that there will be someone on this Board who
>> will understand the needs and circumstances of our underserved regions.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the past I have found it difficult to even access an application form
>> for these larger foundations, especially those that are US-based because
>> most of us in the Pacific for example, don't have any connection with the
>> US, so we don't get any priority. It would be imperative that our processes
>> are inclusive and user-friendly so that  all levels of society and all
>> types of communities can be benefit from these funds, and at the same time
>> increase the outreach of ICANN into these regions. .
>>
>>
>>
>> Therefore in the interests of all, it is important for us to at least be
>> able to ask Vanda's question.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I am just looking into a number of different donor organizations -- and
>> for instance, some have board members that are representative of
>>
>> multiple regions, and some have staff that have experience in working in
>> different countries. Sometimes a Foundation is based in a country where the
>> primary donor base is located -- e.g. I have found a few that are based in
>> their country of origin in Europe, but their focus is funding development
>> in developing countries.   That happens also for the US based Foundations,
>> if the primary contributor (s) are homed in that country, and they are
>> taking advantage of the legal and accountability environment.
>>
>>
>>
>> That to me is not the question we should be asking: we should be asking
>> what can we learn from you and your approach to managing the solicitation
>> of applications, and the review process; the award process, and the
>> monitoring and evaluation process, including required reports on results,
>> transparency, criteria for Board members, staff members, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 15, 2017 2:38 PM
>> *To:* Vanda Scartezini
>> *Cc:* Marilyn Cade; ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] [Ext] Re: Proposed Agenda - new
>> gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting on 16 November at 14.00 UTC
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 Vanda
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Vanda Scartezini <vanda at scartezini.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I would like to add to Marilyn’s concerns, that I agree, a question to
>> someone to answer: Which are the requisites  for any American Foundation (
>> or other From any developed country) to apply resources in developing
>> countries projects?
>>
>> Vanda Scartezini
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Sorry for typos
>>
>>
>> On 15 Nov 2017, at 17:16, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I understand,Erika, however, Gates may be too big to be considered
>> representative. Very large donor organizations have very large
>>
>> overhead, for instance, and I know that will be a strong concern to this
>> community.
>>
>>
>>
>> Smaller donor organizations often have less overhead, and can be closer
>> to the purpose for which a fund is created.
>>
>>
>>
>> We can develop a set of standard questions and do interviews that not
>> everyone can attend, but we can get a set of questions that we ask of each
>>
>> invited.
>>
>>
>>
>> Marilyn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Erika Mann <erika at erikamann.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:50 AM
>> *To:* Marilyn Cade
>> *Cc:* Marika Konings; Seun Ojedeji; ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] [Ext] Re: Proposed Agenda - new
>> gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting on 16 November at 14.00 UTC
>>
>>
>>
>> Marilyn -
>>
>>
>>
>> we have the Gates Foundation on our list and I checked with them if
>> they're willing to do this. Not sure if we need therefore another big one?
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with you, learning is always good but we need to keep in mind
>> that we need to be able to handle these additional conference calls. Let's
>> discuss tomorrow how many calls we want to have with different experts and
>> how diverse we want these calls with different fund/foundation environments
>> to be.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for all the effort,
>>
>> Erika
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Marika,with apologies for delayed suggestions:
>>
>> I tried to add in a couple of ideas of experts, and found I can't figure
>> out how.
>>
>>
>>
>> I nominate Alliance for Affordable Internet [A4AI]; Mastercard
>> Foundation; and IEEE Foundation for additional conversations.  I do note
>> that we are not including yet some of the major funders, such as Microsoft,
>> MasterCard Foundation, IBM, and perhaps a few more that I am not well aware
>> of.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know that I have only been a participant for the last 6 meetings, and
>> regret that I missed some earlier discussions so apologize to be bringing
>> in new thoughts at this late date.
>>
>>
>>
>> In my view, learning about how funds are dispersed, and evaluated should
>> be our priority, not picking a particular model. So, I would
>>
>> suggest that even if in the future, some of these groups we are learning
>> from might apply for Auction fund supported projects,
>>
>> we need not limit our learning. Also, we must not limit our learning to
>> only those who are affiliated with some of us, and I say that gently, but
>> sometimes the road ahead is illuminated by a new lamp. :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org> on
>> behalf of Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 15, 2017 8:22 AM
>> *To:* Seun Ojedeji
>> *Cc:* ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] [Ext] Re: Proposed Agenda - new
>> gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting on 16 November at 14.00 UTC
>>
>>
>>
>> Seun, the experts that have been identified by the CCWG to date can be
>> found here: https://community.icann.org/x/DAnfAw
>> <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.icann.org%2Fx%2FDAnfAw&data=02%7C01%7Cmarilynscade%40hotmail.com%7C276f224728b241b2ed5c08d52c2bee57%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636463489544503941&sdata=H65gTN6C1y8Fp%2BfHRU9zJYBy97ap504BGM781oo1FL4%3D&reserved=0>.
>> This also includes an overview of the expertise present amongst CCWG
>> members and participants.
>>
>>
>>
>> With regards to next milestone, please review the updated timeline that
>> was circulated with the agenda. This document also includes the approach
>> for dealing with the charter questions that the CCWG is following.
>>
>>
>>
>> The survey was intended to see whether a clear preference existed amongst
>> the CCWG members and participants for a certain mechanism. However, as
>> there does not seem to be a clear preference, the CCWG will need to start
>> digging deeper in order to eventually make a determination about the
>> preferred mechanism. This was the objective of the exercise in Abu Dhabi:
>> identify overarching criteria that are expected to determine what mechanism
>> is preferred as well as identify what further information is needed with
>> regards to the different mechanisms to be able to value these criteria. For
>> example, several commenters noted that cost is an important factor in
>> determining which mechanism is preferable, but at this stage, the CCWG has
>> very little insight into what the expected cost (e.g. set-up, running) of
>> each mechanism may be. Experts, who have been involved in setting up
>> similar mechanisms may be in a position to provide guidance to the CCWG in
>> this regard. This is of course only one factor that has been identified as
>> important.
>>
>>
>>
>> If there are suggestions for how to move forward quicker on making this
>> determination or other parts of the work that can be done in parallel (the
>> leadership may have some suggestions during tomorrow’s meeting), these
>> should be shared so that these can be part of the conversation concerning
>> the work plan. I do note however that there are still some outstanding
>> items from stage 2 that need to be completed and are awaiting CCWG input so
>> moving faster will only be possible with the assistance of everyone
>> involved.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Marika
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 02:39
>> *To: *Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>
>> *Cc: *"ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org" <ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org>
>> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Proposed Agenda - new gTLD
>> Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting on 16 November at 14.00 UTC
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Marika,
>>
>>
>>
>> Please note a tentative apology. That said, could you remind me again who
>> the experts are, are those ICANN staff if not are they paid category of
>> people within this CCWG?
>>
>>
>>
>> To the Chairs, I raised this during the face 2 face and I think I should
>> ask again here; can we have an idea of what the next milestone of the group
>> is supposed to be and in what timeline are we supposed to achieve that.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am saying this because I feel we are getting too bugged down with
>> documentations that seems repeatitive to me. We earlier did a survey about
>> the options, then we put that on pause and did the session at AbuDhabi
>> which produced yet another documentation with new set of questions (which
>> are similar to what was already answered through the previous survey)
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Sent from my mobile
>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2017 6:03 PM, "Marika Konings" <marika.konings at icann.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>>
>> Please find below the proposed agenda for the next new gTLD Auction
>> Proceeds CCWG meeting which has been scheduled for Thursday 16 November at
>> 14.00 UTC. Please make sure to review the documents attached, especially
>> the document for item 4. You are encouraged to review the questions
>> identified in this document for accuracy (do these accurately reflect the
>> comments that were provided during the F2F meeting) as well as whether
>> there are any questions missing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Marika
>>
>>
>>
>> *Proposed Agenda – new gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG meeting on Thursday 16
>> November at 14.00 UTC*
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.      Roll Call
>>
>> 2.      Welcome / DOI – SOI Updates
>>
>> 3.      Completing stage 2:
>>
>> a.      Review of updated examples document (see attached)
>>
>> b.      Open and Interoperable Internet description (DT expected to
>> circulate latest version prior to meeting)
>>
>> c.       Discuss next steps
>>
>> 4.      Stage 3 – review and refine questions for experts (see document
>> attached)
>>
>> 5.      Review and discuss updated work plan (see attached)
>>
>> 6.      Confirm next steps and time/date for next meeting (Thursday 30
>> November at 14.00 UTC)
>>
>>
>>
>> *Marika Konings*
>>
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>>
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