[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] lotsa money, was Fwd: Board reply to CCWG-AP

Tue Sep 5 14:50:56 UTC 2017

Hello Daniel/Jon

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Daniel Dardailler <danield at w3.org> wrote:

> On 2017-09-05 16:21, Jon Nevett wrote:
>
>> Sean:  No refunds from the auction proceeds were committed to or
>> anticipated. Not sure where this idea is coming from. Jon
>>
>
SO: Thanks for clarification Jon

> There was a mixup in the thread at some point between refunding the
> applicants of the surplus of applicant fees, and refunding the applicants
> going to auctions using the auction benefits. I think the second is clearly
> out but I'm still wondering if the first one is a real option.
>

SO: If by "real option" you mean using auction proceed to refund
applicants, I don't see why that should be an option at all.

Regards

>
>
>
>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 to that Alberto line of reasoning Alberto. Though it will be good
>>> to know if ICANN has indeed legally committed (as per contract) to
>>> provide some refunds from auction proceed.
>>>
>>> If that is the case i don't think its something within our scope to
>>> challenge we will just then need to clarify from ICANN how much is
>>> really available and accessible in the auction proceeds account.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Alberto Soto
>>> <asoto at ibero-americano.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> do not know how the signed contract is. I do not know if the
>>>> return is
>>>> correct. Whoever buys a restaurant and does not get profitability
>>>> does so at
>>>> their own risk. Who buys a domain and does not obtain
>>>> profitability, does so
>>>> at their own risk. ICANN should not be the guarantee if no
>>>> profitability is
>>>> obtained.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Alberto
>>>>
>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>> De: ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org
>>>> [mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org] En nombre de
>>>> Daniel
>>>> Dardailler
>>>> Enviado el: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 6:56 AM
>>>> Para: John R. Levine <johnl at iecc.com>
>>>> CC: ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org
>>>> Asunto: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] lotsa money, was Fwd: Board
>>>> reply to
>>>> CCWG-AP
>>>>
>>>> On 2017-09-04 23:48, John R. Levine wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is the current financial position of ICANN really an impediment
>>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>> what ICANN wants to do in support of its mission ? I was under
>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> impression that ICANN's budget was healthy enough to implement
>>>>>>
>>>>> its
>>>>
>>>>> mission optimally today, with also a large untouched pot coming
>>>>>>
>>>>> from
>>>>
>>>>> the new gTLD application process (unused legal costs if I
>>>>>>
>>>>> understand
>>>>
>>>>> correctly).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not really.  ICANN's operating budget is fully committed.  There
>>>>>
>>>> is
>>>>
>>>>> indeed a lot of unspent new gTLD application money, but it's a
>>>>>
>>>> whole
>>>>
>>>>> separate can of worms.  It's not ours to spend and since ICANN
>>>>>
>>>> said
>>>>
>>>>> the price was set to cover their costs, the obvious and ethical
>>>>>
>>>> thing
>>>>
>>>>> to do will be to refund the excess to the applicants.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I kind of agree with the ethical part (although I haven't read the
>>>> contract
>>>> those applicants signed and what was promised in writing) but is
>>>> it really
>>>> going to be obvious to refund hundreds of applicants, some of them
>>>> potentially gone as a business ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> R's,
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> PS:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How is it different to give away the funds to the ICANN
>>>>>>
>>>>> community
>>>>
>>>>> (for projects aligned with the ICANN mission) vs. to give them
>>>>>>
>>>>> back
>>>>
>>>>> to the board directly, given that the board is driven by the
>>>>>>
>>>>> community ?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, actually, it's the board's money to give away, not ours.
>>>>>
>>>> We're
>>>>
>>>>> just offering them advice.
>>>>>
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