[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your review - updated version open internet definition / description
sylvia at apnic.net
Thu Sep 7 04:22:29 UTC 2017
Thanks Daniel. I also follow the core values discussion from the distance.
I just tried to compile comments into a text that puts them in context for a preamble… it will be great if you could try to add your comments there? It is a bit hard to capture the essence of what people are trying to change, so it might be better if we do it as a collective.
Maybe a googledoc or another tool for editing a document as a group?
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On 7/9/17, 1:56 am, "Daniel Dardailler" <danield at w3.org> wrote:
BTW, I have meant to mention it for a while, I participate (from a
distance) in the IGF Dynamic Coalition on Internet Core Values, which
relates to our Open Internet description.
It's still work-progress, but you can get a recent listing of those core
On 2017-09-06 14:43, Daniel Dardailler wrote:
> Hello Sylvia, all
> I like the new definition, but I want to come back to the part that
> refers to "equally accessible to all people for _all purposes_".
> By that core principle, any society where even a few things are
> forbidden to promote (online or else, produce or relay), such as
> negationism (the idea that the holocaust didn't happen), terrorism
> recruitment, etc., would be consider out of the Open Internet.
> And more common illegal purposes abound: copying/serving files without
> rights, fake news, diffamation, etc., and I'm not sure we want to
> reserve the term Open Internet for an ideal world where everybody is
> good except for the censors.
> Either we have to qualify the "purposes", e.g. "all law-abiding
> purposes", and shift the responsibility of openness on those making
> laws, or we need to contextualize "equal access" to transport level
> neutrality, not looking at content.
> On 2017-09-06 03:00, Sylvia Cadena wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> I have checked the document that Marika shared with comments from many
>> of us and incorporated the last ones made on this thread. I hope the
>> attached document serves to structure a preamble (as Erika suggested)
>> in a way that reflects the spirit of the CCWG discussions, and our
>> intent for the auction proceeds funds to make a difference.
>> Warm regards,
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>> open internet definition / description
>> HI Erika and others,
>> I like Daniel's summary of Open Internet but we need to also address
>> the issue of accessibility. If you recall Elliott suggested the
>> An Internet that is equally accessible to all people for all purposes,
>> and at every level of the stack. At the lower end of the stack, that
>> means no impediments are placed based on the sender, recipient,
>> content, application or type of data being transmitted.
>> If we could add the concept of accessibility to your definition I
>> think that would greatly help
>> I also like Sylvia Cadena's text and hope we can figure out a way to
>> add this to our definition.
>> That means no impediments are placed based on the sender, recipient,
>> content, application or type of data being transmitted.
>> That means policy and regulation promote, support, facilitate and
>> guarantee access
>> That means equality of access at a pragmatic level is ensured by
>> assuring access at prices affordable to all members of society
>> That means training is available about how to manage, operate and how
>> to use the Internet, as well as education in how to use it effectively
>> That means participation on an equal footing at all levels is
>> encouraged, specially by those that might be discriminated against
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>> On 9/4/2017 7:04 AM, Daniel Dardailler wrote:
>>> How about this for a start.
>>> The concept of “Open Internet”, as referred to in the CCWG
>>> objectives statement, can be described at many levels, e.g.
>>> technogical, business, political, etc, and in particular, at the
>>> societal level:
>>> An Open Internet is one where all people are empowered to
>>> contribute and to participate in building a worldwide culture that
>>> opens our hearts and minds by respecting differences. It is an
>>> Internet (i.e. a network of networks) that we, the people of the
>>> world, recognize as ours — something we have built together for
>>> one another
>>> At the technogical level, openness refers to how easily machines can
>>> connect to each others and how stable, scalable, and secure the
>>> network is. The IP routing and numbering systems, the DNS, or the
>>> Open Standard process, have historically been serving an Open
>>> Internet because of the opportunities they have provided to
>>> participate, innovate and compete without artificial impediments
>>> (e.g. patents, walled-garden).
>>> At the policy level, supporting the Open Internet happens when for
>>> instance governments put in place regulations that promote, support,
>>> facilitate and guarantee equal connectivity at prices affordable to
>>> all members of society, together with education and training efforts
>>> toward making the next generation more Internet savvy.
>>> In an ideal world, an Open Internet is one where no control or
>>> impediments are placed based on the sender, recipient, content,
>>> application or type of data being transmitted.
>>> From that broad description, the CCWG has considered the parts of
>>> the Open Internet that:
>>> - are aligned with the overall ICANN's mission and core
>>> - are in need of funding for more development support
>>> - are creating value-added for the Open Internet at large
>>> - are consensual enough so that they do not endanger the ICANN
>>> <and here we need to apply our CCWG "filter" regarding layering,
>>> shared value, political issues, etc>
>>> On 2017-08-31 22:44, Marika Konings wrote:
>>>> Dear All,
>>>> Hereby attached the updated version of the open internet
>>>> definition /
>>>> description which incorporates the comments and suggestions that
>>>> submitted since the last version. As there are a number of
>>>> / descriptions that have been put forward so far, are there any
>>>> volunteers who would like to take a stab at coming up with a draft
>>>> that brings the different perspectives together and addresses the
>>>> different comments and contributions to date which the CCWG could
>>>> review during its next meeting?
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> _MARIKA KONINGS_
>>>> _Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet
>>>> Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) _
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