[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your review - updated version open internet definition / description

Sylvia Cadena sylvia at apnic.net
Thu Sep 7 04:22:29 UTC 2017


Thanks Daniel. I also follow the core values discussion from the distance. 

I just tried to compile comments into a text that puts them in context for a preamble… it will be great if you could try to add your comments there? It is a bit hard to capture the essence of what people are trying to change, so it might be better if we do it as a collective. 

Maybe a googledoc or another tool for editing a document as a group?

Regards,

Sylvia

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On 7/9/17, 1:56 am, "Daniel Dardailler" <danield at w3.org> wrote:

    BTW, I have meant to mention it for a while, I participate (from a 
    distance) in the IGF Dynamic Coalition on Internet Core Values, which 
    relates to our Open Internet description.
    
    It's still work-progress, but you can get a recent listing of those core 
    values at
    
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d7pUJzpEBbZPsLLzEaDovlhc4LKAuu8_B4XogIJjG3g/edit
    
    
    
    
    On 2017-09-06 14:43, Daniel Dardailler wrote:
    > Hello Sylvia, all
    > 
    > I like the new definition, but I want to come back to the part that
    > refers to "equally accessible to all people for _all purposes_".
    > 
    > By that core principle, any society where even a few things are
    > forbidden to promote (online or else, produce or relay), such as
    > negationism (the idea that the holocaust didn't happen), terrorism
    > recruitment, etc., would be consider out of the Open Internet.
    > 
    > And more common illegal purposes abound: copying/serving files without
    > rights, fake news, diffamation, etc., and I'm not sure we want to
    > reserve the term Open Internet for an ideal world where everybody is
    > good except for the censors.
    > 
    > Either we have to qualify the "purposes", e.g. "all law-abiding
    > purposes", and shift the responsibility of openness on those making
    > laws, or we need to contextualize "equal access" to transport level
    > neutrality, not looking at content.
    > 
    > 
    > On 2017-09-06 03:00, Sylvia Cadena wrote:
    >> Dear all,
    >> 
    >> I have checked the document that Marika shared with comments from many
    >> of us and incorporated the last ones made on this thread. I hope the
    >> attached document serves to structure a preamble (as Erika suggested)
    >> in a way that reflects the spirit of the CCWG discussions, and our
    >> intent for the auction proceeds funds to make a difference.
    >> 
    >> Warm regards,
    >> 
    >> Sylvia
    >> 
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    >> FROM: <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Judith
    >> Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
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    >> REPLY-TO: Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
    >> DATE: Tuesday, 5 September 2017 at 2:17 pm
    >> TO: "ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org" <ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org>
    >> SUBJECT: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your review - updated version
    >> open internet definition / description
    >> 
    >> HI Erika and others,
    >> 
    >> I like Daniel's summary of Open Internet but we need to also address
    >> the issue of accessibility. If you recall Elliott suggested the
    >> following
    >> 
    >> An Internet that is equally accessible to all people for all purposes,
    >> and at every level of the stack. At the lower end of the stack, that
    >> means no impediments are placed based on the sender, recipient,
    >> content, application or type of  data being transmitted.
    >> 
    >> If we could add the concept of accessibility to your definition I
    >> think that would greatly help
    >> 
    >> I also like Sylvia Cadena's text and hope we can figure out a way to
    >> add this to our definition.
    >> 
    >> That means no impediments are placed based on the sender, recipient,
    >> content, application or type of data being transmitted.


    >> 
    >> That means policy and regulation promote, support, facilitate and
    >> guarantee access
    >> 
    >> That means equality of access at a pragmatic level is ensured by
    >> assuring access at prices affordable to all members of society
    >> 
    >> That means training is available about how to manage, operate and how
    >> to use the Internet, as well as education in how to use it effectively
    >> 
    >> 
    >> That means participation on an equal footing at all levels is
    >> encouraged, specially by those that might be discriminated against
    >> 
    >> Best,
    >> Judith
    >> 
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    >> On 9/4/2017 7:04 AM, Daniel Dardailler wrote:
    >> 
    >>> How about this for a start.
    >>> 
    >>> ===
    >>> 
    >>> The concept of “Open Internet”, as referred to in the CCWG
    >>> objectives statement, can be described at many levels, e.g.
    >>> technogical, business, political, etc, and in particular, at the
    >>> societal level:
    >>> 
    >>> An Open Internet is one where all people are empowered to
    >>> contribute and to participate in building a worldwide culture that
    >>> opens our hearts and minds by respecting differences. It is an
    >>> Internet (i.e. a network of networks) that we, the people of the
    >>> world, recognize as ours  — something we have built together for
    >>> one another
    >>> 
    >>> At the technogical level, openness refers to how easily machines can
    >>> connect to each others and how stable, scalable, and secure the
    >>> network is. The IP routing and numbering systems, the DNS, or the
    >>> Open Standard process, have historically been serving an Open
    >>> Internet because of the opportunities they have provided to
    >>> participate, innovate and compete without artificial impediments
    >>> (e.g. patents, walled-garden).
    >>> 
    >>> At the policy level, supporting the Open Internet happens when for
    >>> instance governments put in place regulations that promote, support,
    >>> facilitate and guarantee equal connectivity at prices affordable to
    >>> all members of society, together with education and training efforts
    >>> toward making the next generation more Internet savvy.
    >>> 
    >>> In an ideal world, an Open Internet is one where no control or
    >>> impediments are placed based on the sender, recipient, content,
    >>> application or type of data being transmitted.
    >>> 
    >>> From that broad description, the CCWG has considered the parts of
    >>> the Open Internet that:
    >>> - are aligned with the overall ICANN's mission and core
    >>> commitments
    >>> - are in need of funding for more development support
    >>> - are creating value-added for the Open Internet at large
    >>> - are consensual enough so that they do not endanger the ICANN
    >>> community
    >>> 
    >>> ...
    >>> <and here we need to apply our CCWG "filter" regarding layering,
    >>> shared value, political issues, etc>
    >>> 
    >>> On 2017-08-31 22:44, Marika Konings wrote:
    >>> 
    >>>> Dear All,
    >>>> 
    >>>> Hereby attached the updated version of the open internet
    >>>> definition /
    >>>> description which incorporates the comments and suggestions that
    >>>> were
    >>>> submitted since the last version. As there are a number of
    >>>> definitions
    >>>> / descriptions that have been put forward so far, are there any
    >>>> volunteers who would like to take a stab at coming up with a draft
    >>>> 
    >>>> that brings the different perspectives together and addresses the
    >>>> different comments and contributions to date which the CCWG could
    >>>> review during its next meeting?
    >>>> 
    >>>> Best regards,
    >>>> 
    >>>> Marika
    >>>> 
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    >>>> 
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    >>>> Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) _
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