[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your review - updated version open internet definition / description

Daniel Dardailler danield at w3.org
Thu Sep 7 09:49:45 UTC 2017


On 2017-09-07 06:22, Sylvia Cadena wrote:
> Thanks Daniel. I also follow the core values discussion from the 
> distance.
> 
> I just tried to compile comments into a text that puts them in context
> for a preamble… it will be great if you could try to add your comments
> there? It is a bit hard to capture the essence of what people are
> trying to change, so it might be better if we do it as a collective.
> 
> Maybe a googledoc or another tool for editing a document as a group?

It's not so much a matter of which tool to use (although I also favor a 
multi-editor online tool, and googledocs are great for that) than a 
matter of capturing a consensus, as you mentioned, and until we have 
agreed on some of the issues, whether high level or low level, it's hard 
to move forward, for anyone.

First there is the issue questioning the rationales for doing this Open 
Internet definition. My understanding is that it's to give context for 
future evaluations of grants, i.e. the grantees will have to work within 
that Open Internet "spirit".

If that's the case, than I admit that given that we'll have to apply 
another filter on top of this Open Internet framework, namely the ICANN 
mission compatibility, and given that ICANN is - I assume - considered 
already Open by our standards, I wonder what our definition will be used 
for in the end ?

I also realize that if we use the current Open Internet definition as a 
filter, the issue regarding the "access for all purposes" interpretation 
could lead to these funds being unavailable to project fighting 
cybercrime, since their goals is often to cut from the Internet the law 
offenders, the criminals that is. Hence my suggestion to qualify 
purposes in some way.





> 
> Regards,
> 
> Sylvia
> 
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> 
> On 7/9/17, 1:56 am, "Daniel Dardailler" <danield at w3.org> wrote:
> 
>     BTW, I have meant to mention it for a while, I participate (from a
>     distance) in the IGF Dynamic Coalition on Internet Core Values, 
> which
>     relates to our Open Internet description.
> 
>     It's still work-progress, but you can get a recent listing of those 
> core
>     values at
> 
> 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d7pUJzpEBbZPsLLzEaDovlhc4LKAuu8_B4XogIJjG3g/edit
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     On 2017-09-06 14:43, Daniel Dardailler wrote:
>     > Hello Sylvia, all
>     >
>     > I like the new definition, but I want to come back to the part 
> that
>     > refers to "equally accessible to all people for _all purposes_".
>     >
>     > By that core principle, any society where even a few things are
>     > forbidden to promote (online or else, produce or relay), such as
>     > negationism (the idea that the holocaust didn't happen), 
> terrorism
>     > recruitment, etc., would be consider out of the Open Internet.
>     >
>     > And more common illegal purposes abound: copying/serving files 
> without
>     > rights, fake news, diffamation, etc., and I'm not sure we want to
>     > reserve the term Open Internet for an ideal world where everybody 
> is
>     > good except for the censors.
>     >
>     > Either we have to qualify the "purposes", e.g. "all law-abiding
>     > purposes", and shift the responsibility of openness on those 
> making
>     > laws, or we need to contextualize "equal access" to transport 
> level
>     > neutrality, not looking at content.
>     >
>     >
>     > On 2017-09-06 03:00, Sylvia Cadena wrote:
>     >> Dear all,
>     >>
>     >> I have checked the document that Marika shared with comments 
> from many
>     >> of us and incorporated the last ones made on this thread. I hope 
> the
>     >> attached document serves to structure a preamble (as Erika 
> suggested)
>     >> in a way that reflects the spirit of the CCWG discussions, and 
> our
>     >> intent for the auction proceeds funds to make a difference.
>     >>
>     >> Warm regards,
>     >>
>     >> Sylvia
>     >>
>     >> ————
>     >>
>     >> ** ISIF Asia call for grants proposals and award nominations has 
> been
>     >> extended until 15 September (midnight UTC) www.isif.asia [3] - 
> Get
>     >> started and submit your application! **
>     >>
>     >> Sylvia Cadena | sylvia at apnic.net | APNIC Foundation - Head of 
> Programs
>     >> | +10 GMT Brisbane, Australia | http://www.apnic.foundation [4]
>     >>
>     >> FROM: <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of 
> Judith
>     >> Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>     >> ORGANIZATION: Hellerstein & Associates
>     >> REPLY-TO: Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>     >> DATE: Tuesday, 5 September 2017 at 2:17 pm
>     >> TO: "ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org" 
> <ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org>
>     >> SUBJECT: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] For your review - updated 
> version
>     >> open internet definition / description
>     >>
>     >> HI Erika and others,
>     >>
>     >> I like Daniel's summary of Open Internet but we need to also 
> address
>     >> the issue of accessibility. If you recall Elliott suggested the
>     >> following
>     >>
>     >> An Internet that is equally accessible to all people for all 
> purposes,
>     >> and at every level of the stack. At the lower end of the stack, 
> that
>     >> means no impediments are placed based on the sender, recipient,
>     >> content, application or type of  data being transmitted.
>     >>
>     >> If we could add the concept of accessibility to your definition 
> I
>     >> think that would greatly help
>     >>
>     >> I also like Sylvia Cadena's text and hope we can figure out a 
> way to
>     >> add this to our definition.
>     >>
>     >> That means no impediments are placed based on the sender, 
> recipient,
>     >> content, application or type of data being transmitted.


>     >>
>     >> That means policy and regulation promote, support, facilitate 
> and
>     >> guarantee access
>     >>
>     >> That means equality of access at a pragmatic level is ensured by
>     >> assuring access at prices affordable to all members of society
>     >>
>     >> That means training is available about how to manage, operate 
> and how
>     >> to use the Internet, as well as education in how to use it 
> effectively
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> That means participation on an equal footing at all levels is
>     >> encouraged, specially by those that might be discriminated 
> against
>     >>
>     >> Best,
>     >> Judith
>     >>
>     >> 
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>     >> On 9/4/2017 7:04 AM, Daniel Dardailler wrote:
>     >>
>     >>> How about this for a start.
>     >>>
>     >>> ===
>     >>>
>     >>> The concept of “Open Internet”, as referred to in the CCWG
>     >>> objectives statement, can be described at many levels, e.g.
>     >>> technogical, business, political, etc, and in particular, at 
> the
>     >>> societal level:
>     >>>
>     >>> An Open Internet is one where all people are empowered to
>     >>> contribute and to participate in building a worldwide culture 
> that
>     >>> opens our hearts and minds by respecting differences. It is an
>     >>> Internet (i.e. a network of networks) that we, the people of 
> the
>     >>> world, recognize as ours  — something we have built together 
> for
>     >>> one another
>     >>>
>     >>> At the technogical level, openness refers to how easily 
> machines can
>     >>> connect to each others and how stable, scalable, and secure the
>     >>> network is. The IP routing and numbering systems, the DNS, or 
> the
>     >>> Open Standard process, have historically been serving an Open
>     >>> Internet because of the opportunities they have provided to
>     >>> participate, innovate and compete without artificial 
> impediments
>     >>> (e.g. patents, walled-garden).
>     >>>
>     >>> At the policy level, supporting the Open Internet happens when 
> for
>     >>> instance governments put in place regulations that promote, 
> support,
>     >>> facilitate and guarantee equal connectivity at prices 
> affordable to
>     >>> all members of society, together with education and training 
> efforts
>     >>> toward making the next generation more Internet savvy.
>     >>>
>     >>> In an ideal world, an Open Internet is one where no control or
>     >>> impediments are placed based on the sender, recipient, content,
>     >>> application or type of data being transmitted.
>     >>>
>     >>> From that broad description, the CCWG has considered the parts 
> of
>     >>> the Open Internet that:
>     >>> - are aligned with the overall ICANN's mission and core
>     >>> commitments
>     >>> - are in need of funding for more development support
>     >>> - are creating value-added for the Open Internet at large
>     >>> - are consensual enough so that they do not endanger the ICANN
>     >>> community
>     >>>
>     >>> ...
>     >>> <and here we need to apply our CCWG "filter" regarding 
> layering,
>     >>> shared value, political issues, etc>
>     >>>
>     >>> On 2017-08-31 22:44, Marika Konings wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>>> Dear All,
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Hereby attached the updated version of the open internet
>     >>>> definition /
>     >>>> description which incorporates the comments and suggestions 
> that
>     >>>> were
>     >>>> submitted since the last version. As there are a number of
>     >>>> definitions
>     >>>> / descriptions that have been put forward so far, are there 
> any
>     >>>> volunteers who would like to take a stab at coming up with a 
> draft
>     >>>>
>     >>>> that brings the different perspectives together and addresses 
> the
>     >>>> different comments and contributions to date which the CCWG 
> could
>     >>>> review during its next meeting?
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Best regards,
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Marika
>     >>>>
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>     >>>>
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