[ChineseGP] 给JGP提供一些中文汉字和日文汉字关系的示例，供大家讨论

Wed Aug 20 08:31:47 UTC 2014

各位，您好，

   上次CGP例会时候，yoneya提到JGP将会进行kick off meeting，讨论LGR的问题。在会上yoneya需要咱们CGP提供一些example，来描述一下Chinse和Japanese字表关联的问题，

最直观的例子是在draft-lgr-procedure-20mar13-en.pdf的AppendixF中一个现成的例子，表示中日字表中交集的例子（Example1）

Exampe 1：

Consider the following CJK unified ideograph characters5: U+6200 (戀), U+604B (恋), U+7231 (爱) and U+611B (愛). 
The relevant subset of the label generation rules for Chinese coming from the generation panel (und-hani-TBD-root) might be represented this way: 

Code point Allocatable variant Blocked variant Tag 
恋 U+604B 戀 U+6200 - und-hani-TBD-root 
戀 U+6200 恋 U+604B - und-hani-TBD-root 
愛 U+611B 爱 U+7231 - und-hani-TBD-root 
爱 U+7231 愛 U+611B - und-hani-TBD-root 

The generation panel for Japanese (und-jpan-TBD-root) might come up with a different set of rules: 
Code point Allocatable variant Blocked variant Tag 
恋 U+604B - 戀 U+6200 und-jpan-TBD-root 
戀 U+6200 - 恋 U+604B und-jpan-TBD-root 
愛 U+611B - - und-jpan-TBD-root 

Now, remember that the integration panel is required to integrate the proposals into a single set of label generation rules, and that it is allowed to add blocking rules to any tagged repertoire in order to achieve this goal6. In this example, one additional blocking rule is needed and the unified rules for these code points will be as follows

Code point Allocatable variant Blocked variant Tag 
恋 U+604B 戀 U+6200 - und-hani-TBD-root 
恋 U+604B - 戀 U+6200 und-jpan-TBD-root 
戀 U+6200 恋 U+604B - und-hani-TBD-root 
戀 U+6200 - 恋 U+604B und-jpan-TBD-root 
愛 U+611B 爱 U+7231 - und-hani-TBD-root 
愛 U+611B - 爱 U+7231 und-jpan-TBD-root 
爱 U+7231 愛 U+611B - und-hani-TBD-root 

As a consequence of these rules, a root label that used the code point U+604B would block a label with U+6200 in the same position when applied for using the und-jpan-TBD-root tag, but it would produce an allocatable label were it applied for under the und-hani-TBD-root tag.

Applying for U+611B using the und-jpan-TBD-root blocks the use of U+7231 in the same location in any label, no matter which tag it is applied under. This is so, even though U+7231 is not a character in Japanese at all. and does not appear in the tagged repertoire und-jpan-TBD-root. Because it is not part of that repertoire, it cannot be used in any label applied for with the und-jpan-TBD-root tag.

接下来的两个例子说明一下JGP提出的一些字有可能会在CGP的variant Mapping里或者是一个J Unique的汉字， 如附件是JPRS提交给IANA的一份日文字表中比CDNC+HK新增字多的部分（HK新增的“壜”“勅”“椀”“擡”在JPRS表中），而且在未来JGP可能提出的字符要比这个字表还要多。

在字表中选取了几个字做例子，请各位看下是否妥当：

Example 2

如日本字表中的
“専” 同“专” “栞” 同 “刊” 以及“慯”“愡”等古字

或者香港用的 “晧”可能与“皓”“皜”“暠”互为变体， “駅”可能与“驛”“驿”同义，

以上述以代表的日本汉字， 是否需要在中文构建字库时加上variant Mapping 呢？

另有一些在日本常用汉字，做为Example 3

“曽” “気” 等一些日本文字，中文已经不用，但是在中文里说有其对应的字形，并且其形状可能与现有汉字辨识起来有些难度，这些需要做特殊处理么？

以上是我们想到的三个方面，还请大家多为补充。

多谢！

齐超 via foxmail

发件人： Wang Wei
发送时间： 2014年8月8日(星期五) 上午9:45
收件人： ChineseGP at icann.org
主题： [ChineseGP] Memo of CGP Fortnightly Meeting 7th August
Dear Hanchuan and Colleagues

Thank you for attending the meeting.
Here are some tasks we need to do before the next fortnightly meeting:
1)  Improve the proposal, specify the language, repertoire and etc. (I will send out a updated document next week)
2)  Provide some coordination examples on variants mapping to Japan and Korea community, to help all have a better understanding of coordination principles.
3) Select Kenny and other representatives to KGP meeting next Tuesday

Please feel free to let me know if there is anything I forget to mention.

Regards
Wang Wei

-----邮件原件-----
发件人: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques [mailto:jjs at dyalog.net] 
发送时间: 2014年8月7日 15:15
收件人: Han Chuan Lee
抄送: chinesegp at icann.org; Kenny Huang, Ph.D.; Wang Wei
主题: Re: [ChineseGP] 答复: CGP Fortnightly Meeting

Han Chuan, Colleagues,

terribly sorry, my mistake. Please accept my apologies.

Would anyone on this list have a few minutes to come on Skype on a one-to-one basis, so that I could catch up on the work of our group? On Skype my name is jjcaillou. Thank you.

Best regards,
Jean-Jacques.

----- Mail original -----
De: "Han Chuan Lee" <hanchuan.lee at icann.org>
À: "Jean-Jacques Subrenat" <jjs at dyalog.net>
Cc: chinesegp at icann.org, "Kenny Huang, Ph.D." <huangksh at gmail.com>, "Wang Wei" <wangwei at cnnic.cn>
Envoyé: Jeudi 7 Août 2014 08:56:11
Objet: Re: [ChineseGP] 答复: CGP Fortnightly Meeting

Hi Jean-Jacques,

As you have indicated in your preference, the meeting was changed to “Thursday 7 Aug 0800am in Hongkong). It is now 253pm (UTC+8, HK time). The calendar invite was updated and Wang Wei had sent out an email on 6 Aug to inform everyone.

"For this time (Thursday 7 August), I would prefer
- Wednesday 6 at midnight UTC (which is Thursday 7 August 08:00 in Hongkong),
- or later in the day, say Thursday 7 at 08:00 UTC (same day, 16:00 in Hongkong)."

Regards
Han Chuan, Lee

On 7/8/14 2:35 pm, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs at dyalog.net> wrote:

>Hello Han Chuan,
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>yes I know, and I'm in front of my laptop trying to connect.
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>Jean-Jacques.
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>----- Mail original -----
>De: "Han Chuan Lee" <hanchuan.lee at icann.org>
>À: "Jean-Jacques Subrenat" <jjs at dyalog.net>, "Kenny Huang, Ph.D."
><huangksh at gmail.com>
>Cc: chinesegp at icann.org
>Envoyé: Jeudi 7 Août 2014 08:31:52
>Objet: Re: [ChineseGP] 答复: CGP Fortnightly Meeting
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>Hi Jean-Jacques,
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>The meeting was this morning.
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>Regards
>Han Chuan, Lee
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>On 7/8/14 2:11 pm, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs at dyalog.net> wrote:
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>>Same problem here (France).
>>Jean-Jacques.
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>>----- Mail original -----
>>De: "Kenny Huang, Ph.D." <huangksh at gmail.com>
>>À: "Wang Wei" <wangwei at cnnic.cn>
>>Cc: chinesegp at icann.org
>>Envoyé: Jeudi 7 Août 2014 02:08:38
>>Objet: Re: [ChineseGP] 答复: CGP Fortnightly Meeting
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>>I have the same problem
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>>Kenny
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>>On 7 August 2014 08:07, Wang Wei < wangwei at cnnic.cn > wrote:
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>>Hi Hanchuan
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>>The Adobe meeting is not started. I just cant access in.
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>>Could your restarted it ? if the room ID 35105106 ?
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>>Regards
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>>Wang Wei
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