[ChineseGP] [Japanesegp] 答?: Characters likely to cause offence

Sun Oct 18 07:57:43 UTC 2015

Dear Hotta-san,

Thank you for the query.  Based on internal discussions, kindly find the
response below:

As per the "Procedure to Develop and Maintain the Label Generation Rules for
the Root Zone in Respect of IDNA Labels"
<http://www.icann.org/en/resources/idn/variant-tlds/draft-lgr-procedure-20ma
r13-en.pdf>, the decision of which Unicode code points to include from the
MSR in their respective proposals for the Root Zone LGR is up to the
Chinese, Japanese and Korean Generation Panels.  They may decide not to
include a character which “has visual similarity to a symbol that could be
abused by people outside CJK area”. However, when a code point that has
such potential issues is included in an LGR proposal, ICANN recommends that
the relevant Generation Panel(s) point this out in their proposal, as it is
released for public comment.  The relevant Generation Panel(s) will decide
whether to finally include such a code point based on the review of the
public comments received.

Regards,
Sarmad

-----Original Message-----
From: hotta at jprs.co.jp [mailto:hotta at jprs.co.jp]
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:16 PM
To: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain at icann.org>
Cc: Edmon Chung <edmon at registry.asia>; ChineseGP at icann.org;
KoreanGP at icann.org; JapaneseGP at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Japanesegp] [ChineseGP] 答?: Characters likely to cause
offence

Dear Sarmad,

This issue may depend on the scope of the RootLGR project mandate.
If I may, I'd like to ask the following question to ICANN.

Question here :
  Providing, a character in Han script means 'lucky' and is sometimes
  used in strings in CJK area. The character has visual similarity to
  a symbol that could be abused by people outside CJK area.
  In this case, should such character be removed from CJK repertoire?
  Who will decide the removal of the character, and how?
  Is such removal decision within the scope of RootLGR project? (not
  within the scope of gTLD application evaluation panels along with
  public objection appeals?)

Regards,
Hiro

On Tue, 12 May 2015 12:19:11 +0900
HiroHOTTA <hotta at jprs.co.jp> wrote:
> I agree that GPs had better not try to touch on this kind of
> cross-cultural issues.
>
> I agree to leave this issue to IP, but I suspect IP can solve that.
>
> If this kind of judgement (i.e., not a script/language-based
> judgement, but a judgement considering other cultures) is needed, it
> is likely beyond the ability of RootLGR project.
> Even IP cannot solve such issues, I believe.
>
> In my understanding, such kind of judgement should be done in the
> evaluation phase of a TLD application with possible objection
> mechanism. We should not try to make RootLGR solve all the potential
> issues we can imagine.
>
> Hiro
>
>
>
> On Tue, 12 May 2015 10:40:21 +0800
> "Edmon Chung" <edmon at registry.asia> wrote:
> > Agree with Wangwei.
> > Edmon
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: chinesegp-bounces at icann.org
> > > [mailto:chinesegp-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of ??
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:35 AM
> > > To: 'Yoshiro YONEYA'; 'Dillon, Chris'
> > > Cc: KoreanGP at icann.org; ChineseGP at icann.org; JapaneseGP at icann.org
> > > Subject: [ChineseGP] 答?: Characters likely to cause offence
> > >
> > > I guess both of 卍and ? (swastika, ????????) were imported into
> > > Chinese characters from ancient India Buddhism hundreds years ago
> > > Both of them mean something like luck or fortune in east Asia.
> > > Most western people don’t know them until one of them was borrowed by
Nazi.
> > >
> > > What about  leave the problem to IP or policy guys. Let's finish
> > > repertoire, variant coordination and generation rules first.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----?件原件-----
> > > ?件人: chinesegp-bounces at icann.org
> > > [mailto:chinesegp-bounces at icann.org] 代
> > > 表 Yoshiro YONEYA
> > > ?送??: 2015年5月12日 9:55
> > > 收件人: Dillon, Chris
> > > 抄送: ChineseGP at icann.org; KoreanGP at icann.org; JapaneseGP at icann.org
> > > 主?: Re: [ChineseGP] Characters likely to cause offence
> > >
> > > Dear Chris-san,
> > >
> > > > I suspect there may be other characters in there that could
> > > > cause offence, but ? 5350 could be horribly abused. I realize
> > > > that the character it
> > > represents is used innocently in temples.
> > >
> > > The reason why this character (U+5350) is in J-LGR-2 is that this
> > > is defined as variant of U+534D in C-LGR-1.  U+534D is in
> > > J-LGR-1 repertoire, so it was integrated into J-LGR-2 by proposed
> > > integration algorithm.
> > >
> > > As you see in J-LGR-2.xlsx, U+5350 is marked as (o) or (b), so it
> > > will never appear on Root zone if it is used in applied-for string as
Japanese IDN TLD.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Yoshiro YONEYA <yoshiro.yoneya at jprs.co.jp>
> > >
> > > On Mon, 11 May 2015 14:02:14 +0000 "Dillon, Chris"
<c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Yoneya-san,
> > > >
> > > > I mentioned in my last email that one of the things I found in
> > > > J-LGR-2.xlsx was of
> > > a more serious nature.
> > > >
> > > > I suspect there may be other characters in there that could
> > > > cause offence, but ? 5350 could be horribly abused. I realize
> > > > that the character it
> > > represents is used innocently in temples.
> > > >
> > > > It is not our responsibility to make decisions about cases such
> > > > as this and as far as I know, no part of the existing system
> > > > deals with them. However, having observed long discussion over
> > > > cases such as .xxx
> > > and .sucks, alarm bells do go off and one feels one should draw
> > > 5350 to the attention of colleagues.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Chris.
> > > > --
> > > > Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital
> > > > Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599
> > > > (int
> > > > 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon
> > > >
> > > >
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