[ChineseGP] Characters likely to cause offence

Sun Oct 18 08:20:23 UTC 2015

Thank you for your response, Sarmad.
I think I understand.
Hiro

On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 07:57:43 +0000
Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain at icann.org> wrote:
> Dear Hotta-san,
> 
> Thank you for the query.  Based on internal discussions, kindly find the
> response below:
> 
> As per the "Procedure to Develop and Maintain the Label Generation Rules for
> the Root Zone in Respect of IDNA Labels"
> <http://www.icann.org/en/resources/idn/variant-tlds/draft-lgr-procedure-20ma
> r13-en.pdf>, the decision of which Unicode code points to include from the
> MSR in their respective proposals for the Root Zone LGR is up to the
> Chinese, Japanese and Korean Generation Panels.  They may decide not to
> include a character which “has visual similarity to a symbol that could be
> abused by people outside CJK area”. However, when a code point that has
> such potential issues is included in an LGR proposal, ICANN recommends that
> the relevant Generation Panel(s) point this out in their proposal, as it is
> released for public comment.  The relevant Generation Panel(s) will decide
> whether to finally include such a code point based on the review of the
> public comments received.
> 
> Regards,
> Sarmad
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hotta at jprs.co.jp [mailto:hotta at jprs.co.jp]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:16 PM
> To: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain at icann.org>
> Cc: Edmon Chung <edmon at registry.asia>; ChineseGP at icann.org;
> KoreanGP at icann.org; JapaneseGP at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [Japanesegp] [ChineseGP] 答?: Characters likely to cause
> offence
> 
> Dear Sarmad,
> 
> This issue may depend on the scope of the RootLGR project mandate.
> If I may, I'd like to ask the following question to ICANN.
> 
> Question here :
>   Providing, a character in Han script means 'lucky' and is sometimes
>   used in strings in CJK area. The character has visual similarity to
>   a symbol that could be abused by people outside CJK area.
>   In this case, should such character be removed from CJK repertoire?
>   Who will decide the removal of the character, and how?
>   Is such removal decision within the scope of RootLGR project? (not
>   within the scope of gTLD application evaluation panels along with
>   public objection appeals?)
> 
> Regards,
> Hiro
> 
> 
> On Tue, 12 May 2015 12:19:11 +0900
> HiroHOTTA <hotta at jprs.co.jp> wrote:
> > I agree that GPs had better not try to touch on this kind of
> > cross-cultural issues.
> >
> > I agree to leave this issue to IP, but I suspect IP can solve that.
> >
> > If this kind of judgement (i.e., not a script/language-based
> > judgement, but a judgement considering other cultures) is needed, it
> > is likely beyond the ability of RootLGR project.
> > Even IP cannot solve such issues, I believe.
> >
> > In my understanding, such kind of judgement should be done in the
> > evaluation phase of a TLD application with possible objection
> > mechanism. We should not try to make RootLGR solve all the potential
> > issues we can imagine.
> >
> > Hiro
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 12 May 2015 10:40:21 +0800
> > "Edmon Chung" <edmon at registry.asia> wrote:
> > > Agree with Wangwei.
> > > Edmon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: chinesegp-bounces at icann.org
> > > > [mailto:chinesegp-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of ??
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:35 AM
> > > > To: 'Yoshiro YONEYA'; 'Dillon, Chris'
> > > > Cc: KoreanGP at icann.org; ChineseGP at icann.org; JapaneseGP at icann.org
> > > > Subject: [ChineseGP] 答?: Characters likely to cause offence
> > > >
> > > > I guess both of 卍and ? (swastika, ????????) were imported into
> > > > Chinese characters from ancient India Buddhism hundreds years ago
> > > > Both of them mean something like luck or fortune in east Asia.
> > > > Most western people don’t know them until one of them was borrowed by
> Nazi.
> > > >
> > > > What about  leave the problem to IP or policy guys. Let's finish
> > > > repertoire, variant coordination and generation rules first.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----?件原件-----
> > > > ?件人: chinesegp-bounces at icann.org
> > > > [mailto:chinesegp-bounces at icann.org] 代
> > > > 表 Yoshiro YONEYA
> > > > ?送??: 2015年5月12日 9:55
> > > > 收件人: Dillon, Chris
> > > > 抄送: ChineseGP at icann.org; KoreanGP at icann.org; JapaneseGP at icann.org
> > > > 主?: Re: [ChineseGP] Characters likely to cause offence
> > > >
> > > > Dear Chris-san,
> > > >
> > > > > I suspect there may be other characters in there that could
> > > > > cause offence, but ? 5350 could be horribly abused. I realize
> > > > > that the character it
> > > > represents is used innocently in temples.
> > > >
> > > > The reason why this character (U+5350) is in J-LGR-2 is that this
> > > > is defined as variant of U+534D in C-LGR-1.  U+534D is in
> > > > J-LGR-1 repertoire, so it was integrated into J-LGR-2 by proposed
> > > > integration algorithm.
> > > >
> > > > As you see in J-LGR-2.xlsx, U+5350 is marked as (o) or (b), so it
> > > > will never appear on Root zone if it is used in applied-for string as
> Japanese IDN TLD.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Yoshiro YONEYA <yoshiro.yoneya at jprs.co.jp>
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 11 May 2015 14:02:14 +0000 "Dillon, Chris"
> <c.dillon at ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear Yoneya-san,
> > > > >
> > > > > I mentioned in my last email that one of the things I found in
> > > > > J-LGR-2.xlsx was of
> > > > a more serious nature.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suspect there may be other characters in there that could
> > > > > cause offence, but ? 5350 could be horribly abused. I realize
> > > > > that the character it
> > > > represents is used innocently in temples.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is not our responsibility to make decisions about cases such
> > > > > as this and as far as I know, no part of the existing system
> > > > > deals with them. However, having observed long discussion over
> > > > > cases such as .xxx
> > > > and .sucks, alarm bells do go off and one feels one should draw
> > > > 5350 to the attention of colleagues.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital
> > > > > Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599
> > > > > (int
> > > > > 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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