[ChineseGP] 答复: [Koreangp] Proposed Action items before Seoul meeting

Tue Apr 28 03:28:21 UTC 2015

Dear Chris,

I will deeply study the ToDo list, and your comments, which may take some
more time.

Before finishing my homework, I would like to make two points for
consideration:

1.       Up to now, what we are working on is limited to character (and its
variants)- based label generation, we have not defined string/word based
rule yet. Especial, we have not define the language and/or context sensitive
string/word yet. It seems quite complicated, but is inevitable to work on it
in the next stage. For examples,

(1)     Exception treatment, such as ·¢-°l-°k and·¢/ óŒ

(2)     C-J sensitive : ±õ-žI-äº£¬ÒÕ-Ë‡-Ü¿£¬

(3)     Í¬Òå´Ê Synonym as label£¨word based variant string£©: ”µÎ»»¯-Êý×Ö»¯
£¬¼¤¹â-ÀØÉä£¬±ãµ±-ÛÍµ±

(4)     Rules like: No simplified/traditional/variant mixing in labels.
(important for CGP)

2.       Some visible differences amongst Hanzi/Hanja/Kanji would be
so-called Z-difference in Unicode/UniHan, say, 

¡°I have also been looking for differences between  Traditional Chinese
characters and Korean hanja. So far I have found one: characters with the
progression radical tend to start with two dots in hanja: ÌÓ and only one in
Traditional Chinese: ÌÓ.¡±  

 Actually, both are encoded at U+9003, but rendered in different fonts.

If  I may participate the coming Seoul meeting, we may discuss in detail.

Looking forward to seeing you there.

Regards,

Zhang

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Ö÷Ìâ: Re: [ChineseGP] [Koreangp] Proposed Action items before Seoul meeting

Dear colleagues,

Here are some comments, as requested by Hiro.

I reckon I have now caught up after missing the Dallas meeting.

I believe Mr Yoneya¡¯s algorithm will work.

I have spent some amount of time looking for exceptions to various
statements in it e.g. Slide 5 ¡°there exists at least one identical
ideograph¡±. (No exception found.)

It is fortunate that ™C ¡¯machine¡¯ / »ú ¡¯desk¡¯ and °k ¡¯send¡¯ / óŠ
¡®hair¡¯ seem to be the only cases where (at least commonly used) different
characters in Japanese are the same character in Simplified Chinese. (I
haven¡¯t spent as much time with looking for characters that are separate in
Chinese but brought together in Japanese. ÛÍ replaces at least three
characters in Chinese, but I think none are common. I can imagine a . ÛÍµ±
TLD, so that may be good news for bento companies.)

I note the options for the disposition of variants not defined in the LGR-1s
(Slide 6), i.e.:

- Blocked if the variant is not in the LGR-1 / Allocatable otherwise

- Blocked if the variant is not in the LGR-1 / Inherit its original
disposition in the LGR-1 (Allocatable/Simp/Trad/Both)

Both case studies are most interesting. I note that there are some labels,
e.g. ÓèÔ°  (with the first character, I think used only in Japan and the
second only in Simplified Chinese) that perhaps we would prefer not to see
allocatable in the ideal world, but suspect that blocking them would involve
adding horrendous complexity.

I note that it is difficult to understand Japanese LGR-1, as the characters
are not visible.

I have also been looking for differences between Traditional Chinese
characters and Korean hanja. So far I have found one: characters with the
progression radical tend to start with two dots in hanja: ÌÓ and only one in
Traditional Chinese: ÌÓ.

Looking forward to Seoul,

Regards,

Chris.

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Subject: [Koreangp] Proposed Action items before Seoul meeting

Dear colleagues in CGP/JGP/KGP,

If I may, in order for us to make our Seoul meeting efficient and fruitful,
I'd like to propose what each of us is expected to prepare well before the
meeting. 

I know I am very pushy but I think at least we must not use our precious
time just to understand the information in front of us for a long time.

Please give comments and let's discuss online about the ToDo's before Seoul
meeting .

==

[[Premise]]

ToDo-1 <must>     Each participant understands what RootLGR is and 

                  what is expected for GPs to do.

ToDo-2 <must>     Each participant understands Yoneya's algorithm 

                  that was already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP by Yoneya and 

                  also agreed by C and J in Dallas, which is attached 

                  to this mail as well

ToDo-3 <must>     Each participant understands MSS concept that was 

                  already sent to  CGP/JGP/KGP by Dr. Wang Wei, which 

                  is attached to this mail along with HiroHOTTA's 

                  response

ToDo-4 <expected> Participants agree on Yoneya's algorithm as a 

                  framework and also agree on partial usage of MSS 

                  to accelerate our discussion ("partial" means 

                  "J doesn't need to be considered to be incorporated 

                  into MSS")   This is expected to be discussed and 

                  finalized online before our meeting

[[Integration Algorithm]]

ToDo-5 <expected> J gets IP's feedback on Yoneya's algorithm

[[MSS/LGR-1]]

ToDo-6 <must>     C prepares MSS repertoire, which may be 

                  equivalent to Chinese LGR-1 repertoire   (done?)

ToDo-7 <expected> C prepares Chinese variants within MSS, which may 

                  be equivalent to Chinese LGR-1 (planned date is 

                  expected to be declared, if not in time for the 

                  meeting)

ToDo-8 <must>     J prepares Japanese LGR-1 repertoire and variants

                     (there's no variants in Japanese LGR-1 : they 

                      were already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP)

ToDo-9 <must>     K prepares the basic idea of Korean LGR-1 repertoire 

                  and variants

ToDo-10<expected> K prepares Korean LGR-1 repertoire and variants  

                  (planned date is expected to be declared, ift 

                   LGR-1 does not come in time for the meeting)

ToDo-11<expected> each of CGP/JGP/KGP assesses the repertoires and 

                  variants that have already been provided by other 

                  GPs as far as possible

[[Logistics/etc.]]

ToDo-12<must>     each CGP/JGP/KGP Chair designates a person in charge 

                  of ToDo-5 to ToDo-11 well in advance to the meeting 

                  (expected to post the (names) in replying this mail 

                  by May 1st)  - this may accelerate the coordination 

                  a lot

ToDo-13<must>     convener fixes the agenda through consultation with 

                  CJK colleagues  (Hiro is pleased to behave as the 

                  convener until someone will raise his/her hand)

Hiro

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