[ChineseGP] Proposed Action items before Seoul meeting

HiroHOTTA hotta at jprs.co.jp
Tue May 12 04:53:51 UTC 2015


As I haven't received additional comments, I will send 
JGP's comments to IP in a separate mail. If you come up 
with further comments, please send them directly to IP.

Hiro 

On Sun, 10 May 2015 00:01:27 +0900
HiroHOTTA <hotta at jprs.co.jp> wrote:
> Dear CJK colleagues,
> 
> <regarding ToDo-14>
> 
> JGP drafted its comments to IP's feedback on Yoneya's algorithm.
> I hope CGP and KGP draft their own comments and send them to 
> Hiro<hotta at jprs.co.jp> and Yoneya<yoshiro.yoneya at jprs.co.jp> by 
> Monday night, 11 May. JGP will compile them all and send the 
> comments to UP.
> 
> IP's feedback, which was sent to us at midnight of 28 April, is 
> attached to this file for your reference.
> 
> Regards
> Hiro
> 
> ========
> (1) about the annotation on slide #3
> 
>   Could you elaborate more on what this annotation means? Especially,
>   we need to know exactly how 'script' should be used in RootLGR 
>   project.
> 
>   For example, Japanese language uses Kanji, Hiragana and Katakana. 
>   In this case, is 'Japanese script' a proper usage?  Or, is 'Kanji 
>   script' a proper usage? 
> 
> (2) about WLE (to annotation on slide #4)
> 
>   Does this annotation intend to be based on the situation "some of 
>   the WLE rules may be for strings that contain characters in 
>   multiple scripts"?  For example, it refers to WLE rules for strings 
>   containing both Kanji and Hiragana, which are very common as 
>   Japanese words ? 
> 
>   The annotation says that "WLE rules are not script-specific in the 
>   procedure: there is only a single, common set.".  Does this mean 
>   every LGR-2 has the same WLE?  If so, development of RootLGR won't 
>   finish until the last Script LGR finished.  Or does it mean every 
>   LGR-2 which shares the same script has the same WLE?
>   If the answer is latter, CJK coordination steps has to have WLE 
>   integration step which will require human intervention.
>   I would like to see the concrete image of LGR-2.
> 
> (3) about the term 'disposition' (to annotation on slide #6)
> 
>   The annotation says that "Note: in the XML schema this is done via 
>   the "type" attribute, on the <var> element and only labels have 
>   dispositions".  When we say "disposition" in LGR context, does it 
>   mean label disposition?  How can we say "attribute on the <var> 
>   element" shortly?  Attribute?  Type?  Disposition type?
>   It is very helpful if we (IP and GPs) use the same terminology.
> 
> (4) about (o) (disposition) type (to annotate on slide #11)
> 
>   The annotation says that "Should be (b)?".  Someone feels it should 
>   be (o), and someone feels it should be (b).  Whether it is (b) or 
>   (o) doesn't make the result of WLE different (the label is invalid).
>   Is our understanding correct?
> 
> (5) about minimization of allocatable variant labels (to annotate on 
>     slide #12 & #13 & #16)
> 
>   The annotation says that "Overall, the goal of the IP is to help 
>   the CJK-GPs to arrive at coordinated LGRs, such that the number of 
>   allocatable variant labels is minimized.".  My understanding is that 
>   selection of delegated label(s) from "allocatable label(s)" is by 
>   decision of applicant.  And it is out of scope of RootLGR.
> 
>   For Japanese language, it is impossible to predict which character 
>   is allocatable and which is blocked individually because all 
>   characters are allocatable independently.  It depends on the 
>   applicant's thought. JGP doesn't say all the variant labels should 
>   be delegated. The number of delegated labels will be at most 2 or 
>   3. But, for example, which labels are appropriate among the 16 
>   variant labels to be allocated cannot be predefined in the RootLGR 
>   level. Such limitation should be done in application proposal and 
>   its evaluation because all the variant labels are valid in 
>   Japanese case.
> 
>   As a summary, we should not try to solve all the issuees by RootLGR,
>   we should think about appropriate mixture of RootLGR and 
>   application evaluation rules/guidelines.
> 
> (6) about Han and Kana mixed labels (to annotate on slide #16)
> 
>   The annotation says that "What about the case where a label is 
>   applied for that combines Han and Kana characters in Japanese. 
>   Which cases do we expect that the Han-variant can be substituted 
>   for the applied for Han code point in such a mixed label? -- This 
>   issue is specific to JGP, but it is affected by the design of the 
>   Han variants -- unless JGP has a WLE rule to "block" variants for 
>   mixed labels altogether.".  For Japanese language, Han and Kana 
>   can use with any combination.  As mentioned above, it is impossible 
>   to predict which character is allocatable and which is blocked 
>   individually.  Mixed use of Han and Kana does not affect it.
> 
> ========
> 
> 
> On Fri, 08 May 2015 17:11:04 +0900
> HiroHOTTA <hotta at jprs.co.jp> wrote:
> > Dear CJK Colleagues,
> > 
> > Below I marked the progress status to each ToDo item except ToDo-1 to 4, 
> > which request each participant to build his/her own capacity about 
> > RootLGR. I put the progress status after "==>" following each ToDo in 
> > the list pasted below..
> > 
> > Please check the progress status of your ToDo's. If correction is 
> > needed, please let me know.
> > 
> > I added one ToDo which is
> > ==
> > ToDo-14<expected> each of CGP/JGP/KGP reviews the feedback from IP (a 
> >                   result of ToDo-5), drafts questions and comments 
> >                   to IP, and sends it to Hiro<hotta at jprs.co.jp> and 
> >                   Yoneya<yoshiro.yoneya at jprs.co.jp> by Monday night, 
> >                   11 May
> >                   and then, Hiro and Yoneya will compile the questions 
> >                   and comments into one file and send it to IP on 
> >                   Tuesday morning
> > 
> > I added this because I believe we need to raise questions and comments 
> > to IP's response given in ToDo-5. I attach the subject document, which 
> > is the IP's response, for your reference.
> > 
> > I hope you will work on this ToDo-14 and send your questions and 
> > comments to Hiro<hotta at jprs.co.jp> and Yoneya<yoshiro.yoneya at jprs.co.jp> 
> > by Monday night, 11 May.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Hiro
> > 
> > ========================================================================
> > 
> >                 ToDo's 
> >                                  2nd draft (as of noon KST on 8 May)
> > 
> > ==
> > 
> > [[Premise]]
> > 
> > ToDo-1 <must>     Each participant understands what RootLGR is and 
> >                   what is expected for GPs to do.
> > 
> > ToDo-2 <must>     Each participant understands Yoneya's algorithm 
> >                   that was already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP by Yoneya and 
> >                   also agreed by C and J in Dallas, which is attached 
> >                   to this mail as well
> > 
> > ToDo-3 <must>     Each participant understands MSS concept that was 
> >                   already sent to  CGP/JGP/KGP by Dr. Wang Wei, which 
> >                   is attached to this mail along with HiroHOTTA's 
> >                   response
> > 
> > ToDo-4 <expected> Participants agree on Yoneya's algorithm as a 
> >                   framework and also agree on partial usage of MSS 
> >                   to accelerate our discussion ("partial" means 
> >                   "J doesn't need to be considered to be incorporated 
> >                   into MSS")   This is expected to be discussed and 
> >                   finalized online before our meeting
> > 
> > [[Integration Algorithm]]
> > 
> > ToDo-5 <expected> J gets IP's feedback on Yoneya's algorithm
> > 
> >   ==> done
> > 
> > [[MSS/LGR-1]]
> > 
> > ToDo-6 <must>     C prepares MSS repertoire, which may be 
> >                   equivalent to Chinese LGR-1 repertoire   (done?)
> > 
> >   ==> done
> > 
> > ToDo-7 <expected> C prepares Chinese variants within MSS, which may 
> >                   be equivalent to Chinese LGR-1 (planned date is 
> >                   expected to be declared, if not in time for the 
> >                   meeting)
> > 
> >   ==> done
> > 
> > ToDo-8 <must>     J prepares Japanese LGR-1 repertoire and variants
> >                      (there's no variants in Japanese LGR-1 : they 
> >                       were already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP)
> > 
> >   ==> done
> > 
> > ToDo-9 <must>     K prepares the basic idea of Korean LGR-1 repertoire 
> >                   and variants
> > 
> >   ==> working (hopefully to be done by 14 May)
> > 
> > ToDo-10<expected> K prepares Korean LGR-1 repertoire and variants  
> >                   (planned date is expected to be declared, ift 
> >                    LGR-1 does not come in time for the meeting)
> > 
> >   ==> working (hopefully to be done by 14 May)
> > 
> > ToDo-11<expected> each of CGP/JGP/KGP assesses the repertoires and 
> >                   variants that have already been provided by other 
> >                   GPs as far as possible
> > 
> >   ==> working (C and J are assesing each other)
> > 
> > [[Logistics/etc.]]
> > 
> > ToDo-12<must>     each CGP/JGP/KGP Chair designates a person in charge 
> >                   of ToDo-5 to ToDo-11 well in advance to the meeting 
> >                   (expected to post the (names) in replying this mail 
> >                   by May 1st)  - this may accelerate the coordination 
> >                   a lot
> > 
> >   ==> working (C:Wang Wei, J:Yoneya, K:???)
> > 
> > ToDo-13<must>     convener fixes the agenda through consultation with 
> >                   CJK colleagues  (Hiro is pleased to behave as the 
> >                   convener until someone will raise his/her hand)
> > 
> >   ==> working (to be fixed Monday night, 11 May)
> > 
> > [[Integration Algorithm - additional]]
> > 
> > ToDo-14<expected> each of CGP/JGP/KGP reviews the feedback from IP as 
> >                   a result of ToDo-5, and drafts questions and comments 
> >                   to IP and sends it to Hiro<hotta at jprs.co.jp> and 
> >                   Yoneya<yoshiro.yoneya at jprs.co.jp> by Monday night, 
> >                   11 May, 
> >                   and then Hiro and Yoneya will compile the questions 
> >                   and comments into one file and send it to IP on 
> >                   Tuesday morning
> > 
> >   ==> just begun
> > 
> > ========================================================================
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 02:05:17 +0900
> > HiroHOTTA <hotta at jprs.co.jp> wrote:
> > > Dear colleagues in CGP/JGP/KGP,
> > > 
> > > If I may, in order for us to make our Seoul meeting efficient and 
> > > fruitful, I'd like to propose what each of us is expected to 
> > > prepare well before the meeting. 
> > > 
> > > I know I am very pushy but I think at least we must not use our 
> > > precious time just to understand the information in front of us for 
> > > a long time.
> > > 
> > > Please give comments and let's discuss online about the ToDo's 
> > > before Seoul meeting .
> > > 
> > > ==
> > > 
> > > [[Premise]]
> > > 
> > > ToDo-1 <must>     Each participant understands what RootLGR is and 
> > >                   what is expected for GPs to do.
> > > 
> > > ToDo-2 <must>     Each participant understands Yoneya's algorithm 
> > >                   that was already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP by Yoneya and 
> > >                   also agreed by C and J in Dallas, which is attached 
> > >                   to this mail as well
> > > 
> > > ToDo-3 <must>     Each participant understands MSS concept that was 
> > >                   already sent to  CGP/JGP/KGP by Dr. Wang Wei, which 
> > >                   is attached to this mail along with HiroHOTTA's 
> > >                   response
> > > 
> > > ToDo-4 <expected> Participants agree on Yoneya's algorithm as a 
> > >                   framework and also agree on partial usage of MSS 
> > >                   to accelerate our discussion ("partial" means 
> > >                   "J doesn't need to be considered to be incorporated 
> > >                   into MSS")   This is expected to be discussed and 
> > >                   finalized online before our meeting
> > > 
> > > [[Integration Algorithm]]
> > > 
> > > ToDo-5 <expected> J gets IP's feedback on Yoneya's algorithm
> > > 
> > > [[MSS/LGR-1]]
> > > 
> > > ToDo-6 <must>     C prepares MSS repertoire, which may be 
> > >                   equivalent to Chinese LGR-1 repertoire   (done?)
> > > 
> > > ToDo-7 <expected> C prepares Chinese variants within MSS, which may 
> > >                   be equivalent to Chinese LGR-1 (planned date is 
> > >                   expected to be declared, if not in time for the 
> > >                   meeting)
> > > 
> > > ToDo-8 <must>     J prepares Japanese LGR-1 repertoire and variants
> > >                      (there's no variants in Japanese LGR-1 : they 
> > >                       were already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP)
> > >  
> > > ToDo-9 <must>     K prepares the basic idea of Korean LGR-1 repertoire 
> > >                   and variants
> > > 
> > > ToDo-10<expected> K prepares Korean LGR-1 repertoire and variants  
> > >                   (planned date is expected to be declared, ift 
> > >                    LGR-1 does not come in time for the meeting)
> > > 
> > > ToDo-11<expected> each of CGP/JGP/KGP assesses the repertoires and 
> > >                   variants that have already been provided by other 
> > >                   GPs as far as possible
> > > 
> > > [[Logistics/etc.]]
> > > 
> > > ToDo-12<must>     each CGP/JGP/KGP Chair designates a person in charge 
> > >                   of ToDo-5 to ToDo-11 well in advance to the meeting 
> > >                   (expected to post the (names) in replying this mail 
> > >                   by May 1st)  - this may accelerate the coordination 
> > >                   a lot
> > > 
> > > ToDo-13<must>     convener fixes the agenda through consultation with 
> > >                   CJK colleagues  (Hiro is pleased to behave as the 
> > >                   convener until someone will raise his/her hand)
> > > 
> > > Hiro
> > > 
> > > 
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