[ChineseGP] Proposed Action items before Seoul meeting
HiroHOTTA
hotta at jprs.co.jp
Tue May 12 04:53:51 UTC 2015
As I haven't received additional comments, I will send
JGP's comments to IP in a separate mail. If you come up
with further comments, please send them directly to IP.
Hiro
On Sun, 10 May 2015 00:01:27 +0900
HiroHOTTA <hotta at jprs.co.jp> wrote:
> Dear CJK colleagues,
>
> <regarding ToDo-14>
>
> JGP drafted its comments to IP's feedback on Yoneya's algorithm.
> I hope CGP and KGP draft their own comments and send them to
> Hiro<hotta at jprs.co.jp> and Yoneya<yoshiro.yoneya at jprs.co.jp> by
> Monday night, 11 May. JGP will compile them all and send the
> comments to UP.
>
> IP's feedback, which was sent to us at midnight of 28 April, is
> attached to this file for your reference.
>
> Regards
> Hiro
>
> ========
> (1) about the annotation on slide #3
>
> Could you elaborate more on what this annotation means? Especially,
> we need to know exactly how 'script' should be used in RootLGR
> project.
>
> For example, Japanese language uses Kanji, Hiragana and Katakana.
> In this case, is 'Japanese script' a proper usage? Or, is 'Kanji
> script' a proper usage?
>
> (2) about WLE (to annotation on slide #4)
>
> Does this annotation intend to be based on the situation "some of
> the WLE rules may be for strings that contain characters in
> multiple scripts"? For example, it refers to WLE rules for strings
> containing both Kanji and Hiragana, which are very common as
> Japanese words ?
>
> The annotation says that "WLE rules are not script-specific in the
> procedure: there is only a single, common set.". Does this mean
> every LGR-2 has the same WLE? If so, development of RootLGR won't
> finish until the last Script LGR finished. Or does it mean every
> LGR-2 which shares the same script has the same WLE?
> If the answer is latter, CJK coordination steps has to have WLE
> integration step which will require human intervention.
> I would like to see the concrete image of LGR-2.
>
> (3) about the term 'disposition' (to annotation on slide #6)
>
> The annotation says that "Note: in the XML schema this is done via
> the "type" attribute, on the <var> element and only labels have
> dispositions". When we say "disposition" in LGR context, does it
> mean label disposition? How can we say "attribute on the <var>
> element" shortly? Attribute? Type? Disposition type?
> It is very helpful if we (IP and GPs) use the same terminology.
>
> (4) about (o) (disposition) type (to annotate on slide #11)
>
> The annotation says that "Should be (b)?". Someone feels it should
> be (o), and someone feels it should be (b). Whether it is (b) or
> (o) doesn't make the result of WLE different (the label is invalid).
> Is our understanding correct?
>
> (5) about minimization of allocatable variant labels (to annotate on
> slide #12 & #13 & #16)
>
> The annotation says that "Overall, the goal of the IP is to help
> the CJK-GPs to arrive at coordinated LGRs, such that the number of
> allocatable variant labels is minimized.". My understanding is that
> selection of delegated label(s) from "allocatable label(s)" is by
> decision of applicant. And it is out of scope of RootLGR.
>
> For Japanese language, it is impossible to predict which character
> is allocatable and which is blocked individually because all
> characters are allocatable independently. It depends on the
> applicant's thought. JGP doesn't say all the variant labels should
> be delegated. The number of delegated labels will be at most 2 or
> 3. But, for example, which labels are appropriate among the 16
> variant labels to be allocated cannot be predefined in the RootLGR
> level. Such limitation should be done in application proposal and
> its evaluation because all the variant labels are valid in
> Japanese case.
>
> As a summary, we should not try to solve all the issuees by RootLGR,
> we should think about appropriate mixture of RootLGR and
> application evaluation rules/guidelines.
>
> (6) about Han and Kana mixed labels (to annotate on slide #16)
>
> The annotation says that "What about the case where a label is
> applied for that combines Han and Kana characters in Japanese.
> Which cases do we expect that the Han-variant can be substituted
> for the applied for Han code point in such a mixed label? -- This
> issue is specific to JGP, but it is affected by the design of the
> Han variants -- unless JGP has a WLE rule to "block" variants for
> mixed labels altogether.". For Japanese language, Han and Kana
> can use with any combination. As mentioned above, it is impossible
> to predict which character is allocatable and which is blocked
> individually. Mixed use of Han and Kana does not affect it.
>
> ========
>
>
> On Fri, 08 May 2015 17:11:04 +0900
> HiroHOTTA <hotta at jprs.co.jp> wrote:
> > Dear CJK Colleagues,
> >
> > Below I marked the progress status to each ToDo item except ToDo-1 to 4,
> > which request each participant to build his/her own capacity about
> > RootLGR. I put the progress status after "==>" following each ToDo in
> > the list pasted below..
> >
> > Please check the progress status of your ToDo's. If correction is
> > needed, please let me know.
> >
> > I added one ToDo which is
> > ==
> > ToDo-14<expected> each of CGP/JGP/KGP reviews the feedback from IP (a
> > result of ToDo-5), drafts questions and comments
> > to IP, and sends it to Hiro<hotta at jprs.co.jp> and
> > Yoneya<yoshiro.yoneya at jprs.co.jp> by Monday night,
> > 11 May
> > and then, Hiro and Yoneya will compile the questions
> > and comments into one file and send it to IP on
> > Tuesday morning
> >
> > I added this because I believe we need to raise questions and comments
> > to IP's response given in ToDo-5. I attach the subject document, which
> > is the IP's response, for your reference.
> >
> > I hope you will work on this ToDo-14 and send your questions and
> > comments to Hiro<hotta at jprs.co.jp> and Yoneya<yoshiro.yoneya at jprs.co.jp>
> > by Monday night, 11 May.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Hiro
> >
> > ========================================================================
> >
> > ToDo's
> > 2nd draft (as of noon KST on 8 May)
> >
> > ==
> >
> > [[Premise]]
> >
> > ToDo-1 <must> Each participant understands what RootLGR is and
> > what is expected for GPs to do.
> >
> > ToDo-2 <must> Each participant understands Yoneya's algorithm
> > that was already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP by Yoneya and
> > also agreed by C and J in Dallas, which is attached
> > to this mail as well
> >
> > ToDo-3 <must> Each participant understands MSS concept that was
> > already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP by Dr. Wang Wei, which
> > is attached to this mail along with HiroHOTTA's
> > response
> >
> > ToDo-4 <expected> Participants agree on Yoneya's algorithm as a
> > framework and also agree on partial usage of MSS
> > to accelerate our discussion ("partial" means
> > "J doesn't need to be considered to be incorporated
> > into MSS") This is expected to be discussed and
> > finalized online before our meeting
> >
> > [[Integration Algorithm]]
> >
> > ToDo-5 <expected> J gets IP's feedback on Yoneya's algorithm
> >
> > ==> done
> >
> > [[MSS/LGR-1]]
> >
> > ToDo-6 <must> C prepares MSS repertoire, which may be
> > equivalent to Chinese LGR-1 repertoire (done?)
> >
> > ==> done
> >
> > ToDo-7 <expected> C prepares Chinese variants within MSS, which may
> > be equivalent to Chinese LGR-1 (planned date is
> > expected to be declared, if not in time for the
> > meeting)
> >
> > ==> done
> >
> > ToDo-8 <must> J prepares Japanese LGR-1 repertoire and variants
> > (there's no variants in Japanese LGR-1 : they
> > were already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP)
> >
> > ==> done
> >
> > ToDo-9 <must> K prepares the basic idea of Korean LGR-1 repertoire
> > and variants
> >
> > ==> working (hopefully to be done by 14 May)
> >
> > ToDo-10<expected> K prepares Korean LGR-1 repertoire and variants
> > (planned date is expected to be declared, ift
> > LGR-1 does not come in time for the meeting)
> >
> > ==> working (hopefully to be done by 14 May)
> >
> > ToDo-11<expected> each of CGP/JGP/KGP assesses the repertoires and
> > variants that have already been provided by other
> > GPs as far as possible
> >
> > ==> working (C and J are assesing each other)
> >
> > [[Logistics/etc.]]
> >
> > ToDo-12<must> each CGP/JGP/KGP Chair designates a person in charge
> > of ToDo-5 to ToDo-11 well in advance to the meeting
> > (expected to post the (names) in replying this mail
> > by May 1st) - this may accelerate the coordination
> > a lot
> >
> > ==> working (C:Wang Wei, J:Yoneya, K:???)
> >
> > ToDo-13<must> convener fixes the agenda through consultation with
> > CJK colleagues (Hiro is pleased to behave as the
> > convener until someone will raise his/her hand)
> >
> > ==> working (to be fixed Monday night, 11 May)
> >
> > [[Integration Algorithm - additional]]
> >
> > ToDo-14<expected> each of CGP/JGP/KGP reviews the feedback from IP as
> > a result of ToDo-5, and drafts questions and comments
> > to IP and sends it to Hiro<hotta at jprs.co.jp> and
> > Yoneya<yoshiro.yoneya at jprs.co.jp> by Monday night,
> > 11 May,
> > and then Hiro and Yoneya will compile the questions
> > and comments into one file and send it to IP on
> > Tuesday morning
> >
> > ==> just begun
> >
> > ========================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 02:05:17 +0900
> > HiroHOTTA <hotta at jprs.co.jp> wrote:
> > > Dear colleagues in CGP/JGP/KGP,
> > >
> > > If I may, in order for us to make our Seoul meeting efficient and
> > > fruitful, I'd like to propose what each of us is expected to
> > > prepare well before the meeting.
> > >
> > > I know I am very pushy but I think at least we must not use our
> > > precious time just to understand the information in front of us for
> > > a long time.
> > >
> > > Please give comments and let's discuss online about the ToDo's
> > > before Seoul meeting .
> > >
> > > ==
> > >
> > > [[Premise]]
> > >
> > > ToDo-1 <must> Each participant understands what RootLGR is and
> > > what is expected for GPs to do.
> > >
> > > ToDo-2 <must> Each participant understands Yoneya's algorithm
> > > that was already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP by Yoneya and
> > > also agreed by C and J in Dallas, which is attached
> > > to this mail as well
> > >
> > > ToDo-3 <must> Each participant understands MSS concept that was
> > > already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP by Dr. Wang Wei, which
> > > is attached to this mail along with HiroHOTTA's
> > > response
> > >
> > > ToDo-4 <expected> Participants agree on Yoneya's algorithm as a
> > > framework and also agree on partial usage of MSS
> > > to accelerate our discussion ("partial" means
> > > "J doesn't need to be considered to be incorporated
> > > into MSS") This is expected to be discussed and
> > > finalized online before our meeting
> > >
> > > [[Integration Algorithm]]
> > >
> > > ToDo-5 <expected> J gets IP's feedback on Yoneya's algorithm
> > >
> > > [[MSS/LGR-1]]
> > >
> > > ToDo-6 <must> C prepares MSS repertoire, which may be
> > > equivalent to Chinese LGR-1 repertoire (done?)
> > >
> > > ToDo-7 <expected> C prepares Chinese variants within MSS, which may
> > > be equivalent to Chinese LGR-1 (planned date is
> > > expected to be declared, if not in time for the
> > > meeting)
> > >
> > > ToDo-8 <must> J prepares Japanese LGR-1 repertoire and variants
> > > (there's no variants in Japanese LGR-1 : they
> > > were already sent to CGP/JGP/KGP)
> > >
> > > ToDo-9 <must> K prepares the basic idea of Korean LGR-1 repertoire
> > > and variants
> > >
> > > ToDo-10<expected> K prepares Korean LGR-1 repertoire and variants
> > > (planned date is expected to be declared, ift
> > > LGR-1 does not come in time for the meeting)
> > >
> > > ToDo-11<expected> each of CGP/JGP/KGP assesses the repertoires and
> > > variants that have already been provided by other
> > > GPs as far as possible
> > >
> > > [[Logistics/etc.]]
> > >
> > > ToDo-12<must> each CGP/JGP/KGP Chair designates a person in charge
> > > of ToDo-5 to ToDo-11 well in advance to the meeting
> > > (expected to post the (names) in replying this mail
> > > by May 1st) - this may accelerate the coordination
> > > a lot
> > >
> > > ToDo-13<must> convener fixes the agenda through consultation with
> > > CJK colleagues (Hiro is pleased to behave as the
> > > convener until someone will raise his/her hand)
> > >
> > > Hiro
> > >
> > >
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