[CWG-RFP3] Proposed Agenda for Wednesday 12 November Meeting

Wed Nov 12 20:13:35 UTC 2014

Allan, 
I've noted your suggestion in the google doc version of the Strawman Matrix.

From:  Allan MacGillivray <allan.macgillivray at cira.ca>
Date:  Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:09 PM
To:  Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>, Seun Ojedeji
<seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
Cc:  RFP3 <cwg-rfp3 at icann.org>
Subject:  Re: [CWG-RFP3] Proposed Agenda for Wednesday 12 November Meeting

One comment that I should have made during the meeting this morning relates
to the use of the term ŒCreation of an Oversight Body¹ in the options.
Since in Strawman Option I, this would not be an incorporated entity, this
can create confusion.  Perhaps we should use a more neutral term, such as
ŒCreation of an Oversight Mechanism¹.

From: cwg-rfp3-bounces at icann.org [mailto:cwg-rfp3-bounces at icann.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Shatan
Sent: November-12-14 12:02 PM
To: Seun Ojedeji
Cc: RFP3
Subject: Re: [CWG-RFP3] Proposed Agenda for Wednesday 12 November Meeting

Seun,

As stated on the call and in my cover email, these are all "Strawmen,"
intended to serve as jumping off points and not to exclude other
alternatives (though ultimately, we need to exclude alternatives or we will
not have a proposal).  I would encourage you to put forth (ideally in the
same format as the strawman or the "strawman matrix") a proposal for the use
of an existing body.  In particular, what existing body would you propose to
use?  And if it is ICANN, how would you deal with concerns of lack of
independence, assuming that IANA also remains within ICANN? Also, how would
this existing body be able to enter into contracts to replace the IANA
contract?  On the other hand, if you are talking about a different existing
body (e.g., ISOC) that probably raises other questions.

I am not saying this to discourage your line of thought.  Rather, I am
saying this to encourage you to flesh out this proposal.

Thanks!

Greg

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:55 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi Greg,
Thanks for sending these documents and i agree that its a great effort.
However i will not agree that it captures what has been discussed on this
mailing list so far (except for version 2 which seem to make an attempt). In
general, the 3 versions are all with the intent of creating a new body which
is not what has been entirely said on this list. I observed that some
(including myself) has mentioned the use of an existing body that empowers
the existing communities within ICANN.
However since creating a body is what you have just presented, I will
attempt to address the one that seem to put multistakeholder community into
consideration (not that i agree with creating a body):
>From the section below:
a.      Registry Operators. PROC will be a multistakeholder organization,
with representatives of from registry operators (both ccNSO and non-ccNSO),
other GNSO stakeholder groups and constituencies, GAC, SSAC, RSSAC and ALAC,
as well as representatives of the ³Names Community² not directly involved in
ICANN Stakeholder Organizations and Advisory Committees.

I don't understand how this can be achieved. I also see this a replication
of community which will result to wastage of resources and in the long run
deny participation from those who lack enough resources to participate in
the multiple environments that will be created from this act. I would have
thought having such committee formation (a CWG variant if you like) who then
perform the mentioned task will be ideal. I don't see why it needs to be a
registered body in other to perform those tasks (except contract awarding
ofcourse).
Regards

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
wrote:

All:

In the course of preparing for tomorrow's call, including discussions with
the Co-Chairs of the CWG and other subgroup leads, it was decided that a
preferred course of action would be to prepare three "Strawman Proposals"
rather than a single "Framework Document" with multiple variables.  These
three Strawman Proposals are attached.  The proposals are organized on a
consistent outline, largely taken from the "Variables" document.  This will
allow us to consider the proposals both "vertically" and "horizontally"
(i.e., across the documents), and to swap sections as we move toward the
ultimate deliverable of a single proposal.  The proposals are intended to
capture most of the major alternatives discussed on this list, the CWG list,
and in our calls, as well as in other documents circulated in the community.
However, if a particular alternative has not been captured in any proposal,
that does not mean that it is "dead" or even disfavored.  Similarly, I
expect there will be additional issues to be considered in any proposal, and
these should be captured as well, either on the call or thereafter.

I apologize for the lateness of the hour; I hope you will see that the
alternatives are not unfamiliar, even if they are now repackaged in proposal
form.  In our call tomorrow morning, I would like to review and work through
these proposals in lieu of items 2 and 3 of the agenda.  In the course of
that review, we should aim to consider pro's and con's, which will be added
to a document during our call, and then posted or circulated for further
editing.  I expect that the Strawman Proposals will be similarly posted or
circulated.

I look forward to our call.

Best regards,

Greg

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Grace Abuhamad <grace.abuhamad at icann.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>  
> 
> Here is the proposed agenda for the RFP3 subgroup meeting on Wednesday:
> 1. Welcome and Roll Call
> 2. Review of Variables Document (link here
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/10PIySH4OEdebff1lU7foynDe8S3PZEvjG2W_UCpJa
> mM/edit?usp=sharing> )
> 3. Review of Framework Document (to be circulated before call)
> 4. Live-Editing of Pros and Cons Document (to be circulated before call)
> 5. Thoughts on this sub-group on how best to use time in Frankfurt
> 6. Assignments for fleshing out parts of Framework Document
> 7. AOB
> Best, 
> 
> Grace
>  
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