[Dt-cwg-auctionproceeds] mp3 and attendance new gTLD Auction Proceeds Drafting Team 27 July 2016
Terri Agnew
terri.agnew at icann.org
Wed Aug 10 15:00:20 UTC 2016
Dear All,
Please find the MP3 recording for the new gTLD Auction Proceeds Drafting Team held on 10 August 2016 at 12:00 UTC: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-auction-proceeds-10aug16-en.mp3<http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=NrFWbrBstcrPWP369qgbqlXiSKeL20xnUXzI03ZqpsuDGgbutH3nVNCyFQnIoBtiHFTcaeu4QmqxpOexJvnwAtaKFZlbEgyFJOnwZ53Oq0o-3D_nEX-2FaOijqgcJlSz5SkmueJu3tRbmaDiuX89gT35tStEeSHP9whdoceObpMxYsFLQddiMZpQjIv8dk6BsBGSJXH7VWN4SGLCJgbGKCk6E-2FTErjF4OKNQt65Dk9NF54IJ9kQpmDNySj7bbNz9G4dXi5BgbCZotTx8KNfyeB0z00f8KsMfETeTNKd7vy2kKI7tttQUIwid4NAhxXgT3nZYwmqNfLr1357mosGO9nXJXg6jama0uuqW0m6VS6p5JobOFXJZuDPM648jqx3DajFVvGCLLe-2BdGOt9HDbBA3VvAqms-2F6clNbzKSWZGzECEigpgv0bgQzKLW3E81n9tegHPqtzoOw3WGkAlAtnn9Y4Gvgl-2BivQJZHZPyRiA8kNSCBnME5g-2BwTKodIxtjdPjUTv6dXcs5-2FjUb69tCyXGN-2F0IzeCsoJ97DoKkKYFOKqM3qvFzjG-2BXmvxe6yCRzFQVDcfhJX8JhWoWM3aGipk1q4-2F4Drf7tE878uFfS3nU-2FiRsCijM7>
On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar>
The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar
Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/dt-cwg-auctionproceeds/
Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/px6AAw
Attendees:
ALAC
Alan Greenberg
ASO
Sylvia Cadena
ccNSO
Will not be participating in the drafting team
GAC
Olga Cavalli
GNSO
Jonathan Robinson
RSSAC
Brad Verd
SSAC
Lyman Chapin
Board
Board Liaisons
Erika Mann
Asha Hemrajani
Board appointed staff advisors
Apologies:
Tony Harris
Russ Mundy
Samantha Eisner
ICANN staff:
Marika Konings
Vinciane Koenigsfeld
Lauren Allison
David Tait
Terri Agnew
** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **
Thank you.
Kind regards,
Terri Agnew
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Adobe Connect chat transcript for Wednesday, 10 August 2016
Terri Agnew:Welcome to the New gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG Charter Drafting Team held on Wednesday, 10 August 2016 at 12:00 UTC
Terri Agnew:wiki agenda page: https://community.icann.org/x/gASsAw
Olga Cavalli:hola Silvia!
Olga Cavalli:Hi Terry!
Sylvia Cadena:Hola :)
Jonathan Robinson:Hello All
Asha Hemrajani:Hello
Asha Hemrajani:Can some from staff give me the singapore access number? The numbers in the email are all mangled up
Marika Konings:800-120-4663
Lauren Allison:Erika is currently stuck in meetings and hopes to connect in 30 minutes. She sends her apologies in the meantime
Asha Hemrajani:any passcode?
Olga Cavalli:I hear nothing is this ok?
Marika Konings:65-6883-9230 (toll)
Terri Agnew:SINGAPORE 65-6883-9230 800-120-4663
Terri Agnew:passcode: Auction
Alan Greenberg:AUdio ok
Olga Cavalli:ok I hear no sound I will connect and disconnect again
Asha Hemrajani:Thank you Marika and Terri. Please Terri could you confirm that it will be the same numbers for future calls?
Terri Agnew:@Asha, confirmed it is
Asha Hemrajani:Thanks Terri. Please check your private chat
Olga Cavalli:Ihear nothing :( can you do a dial up to me? +54 11 4826 2530
Asha Hemrajani:Olga, did you do "connect your audio" from your adobe top bar?
Olga Cavalli:yes i did
Olga Cavalli:no audio on the computer, it happens sometimes
Marika Konings:that is correct
Terri Agnew:@Olga, the operator will dial out in a moment
Marika Konings:comment #22, if I am not mistaken, is next
Olga Cavalli:thanks
Olga Cavalli:im in the phone now thanks!!
Marika Konings:that is correct
Lauren Allison:Sam is unable to make this call due to ill health and would like me to send her apologies for the record
Sylvia Cadena:I agree Jonathan.
Sylvia Cadena:We are not there yet.
Olga Cavalli:agree with Jonanthan
Asha Hemrajani:agree - we should take the time that we need
Olga Cavalli:If GAC needs to approve it will take time please have that in consideration
Sylvia Cadena:We cannot drag this for too long either. It is important to get a final draft soon so the apporvals process can take the time is needed.
Sylvia Cadena:Weekly meetings sounds ok so that we can get as close as possible to that deadline.
Sylvia Cadena:No, I didn't.
Marika Konings:Staff can try to reconcile those or mark where there is conflict in the revised charter?
Sylvia Cadena:There were a few notes in the document that we discussed in the conference call. I did add what I said on the last conference call.
Sylvia Cadena:Nothing different from what we discussed.
Sylvia Cadena:I was taking notes on the documents during the meeting about my own comments. Sorry if that generated any confusion, but I didn't add anything that we did not discussed on the last meeting.
Terri Agnew:sync is enabled, everyone can scroll themselves
Olga Cavalli:good point Alan
Asha Hemrajani:Marika could you speak a bit slower please
Sylvia Cadena:Thanks for the input Marika. Good to have that into consideration.
Marika Konings:Apologies Asha - I will do my best to slow down :-)
Sylvia Cadena:That will be to help to CCWG.
Marika Konings:if I remember correctly, the charter currently foresees the ability for the CCWG to identify expertise needed as part of its process
Sylvia Cadena:I don't think the DT should be calling for experts at this stage, but identifying the skills/knowledge that will be needed
Alan Greenberg:@Marika, yes
Alan Greenberg:Regarding CCWG ACCT experts, I beleive it wasmore like 7 of them. We did not pay fees, but we did fly them around the world (largely or partially in business class).
Terri Agnew:Welcome Erika Mann
Erika Mann:Just joined
Erika Mann:Hi Terri
Asha Hemrajani:@alan actually Steve did not advocate separating into 3 buckets - he was very against that
Asha Hemrajani:@Alan the 3 buckets issue was just an example
Olga Cavalli:my call drop off, please Terry ask the operator to call me again
Alan Greenberg:The impression I got is he was advocating that. But it is moot as this wil be a CCWG discussion and decisin.
Erika Mann:CAn someone tguide me to the right topic
Asha Hemrajani:I agree Alan - it is a CCWG discussion and decision
Alan Greenberg:@22
Asha Hemrajani:Hi Erika, we are on #22
Sylvia Cadena:comment 22 Erika
Marika Konings:@Erika - comment 22 on page 17
Erika Mann:Thank you Marika
Asha Hemrajani:@sylvia I did not suggest that we call for experts at this stage. What I was talking about was in line with what Jonathan said
Erika Mann:Is everyone else hearing Sylvia badly?
Asha Hemrajani:Yes Sylvia sounded a bit muffled
Erika Mann:I think you can't hear me
Erika Mann:Move on
Asha Hemrajani:I just want to clarify that while knowledge of the ICANN ecosystem is good, it shoudl not be mandatory
Terri Agnew:@Erika, I don't see your mic active. Please let me know if the op should dial out to you
Asha Hemrajani:We need to have as broad a participation as possible
Erika Mann:Try again please
Terri Agnew:@Erika, audio is now working
Asha Hemrajani:can hear you Erika
Erika Mann:I said we are fine
Jonathan Robinson:Thank you Erica
Erika Mann:Agree with Alan
Sylvia Cadena:23
Sylvia Cadena:Hold on, but thn we need something on the charter about how / who appoints / nominates members that are not from the chartetring organizations?
Marika Konings:@Sylvia - only Chartering organizations can appoint members, but anyone can join as a participant
David Tait:I'm taking them
Asha Hemrajani:Sylvia has a valid point here
Sylvia Cadena:Yes, but what Asha said was to open members to others
Erika Mann:Open minded yes, but we don't need folks that understand the instrumental part of dispursement but the framing of programs yet
Sylvia Cadena:Ok, I think we had already said that on the charter.
Asha Hemrajani:yes that was my point - I think the text in the charter is broad enough already
Jonathan Robinson:N.B. Anyone may participate. There is nothing to stop experts particpating. As per Marika's point.
Terri Agnew:Welcome Brad Verd
Asha Hemrajani:Agree Jonathan - we are not talking about participants, we are talking about members
Asha Hemrajani:good point Alan
Asha Hemrajani:Jonathan - it was important to take the time to get that sorted.
Sylvia Cadena:We said 2 to 5.
Olga Cavalli:The group should remain not too big
Erika Mann:Okay
Sylvia Cadena:+1 to what Marika said, and also agree with Olga that it should not be too big.
Asha Hemrajani:ok with that
Marika Konings:the charter currently foresees that the chartering organizations may appoint a chair to the CCWG (the Board is not a chartering organization)
Olga Cavalli:ok
Sylvia Cadena:Ok with appointing liaisons. It will be good to define such role at the CCWG level
Erika Mann:Since you can\t hear me, I can only type. So, let's have Asha moving ahead first
Erika Mann:You can't hear me today
Erika Mann:Correct
Sylvia Cadena:Agree with Jonathan.
Asha Hemrajani:My hand is down - that was an old hand
Asha Hemrajani:agreed - outtside of scope
Erika Mann:Exactly, this is outside the scope
Sylvia Cadena:Does the charter mentions that the CCWG needs to come up with the criteria?
Asha Hemrajani:This question came up because the audience at the public forum were not too clear on the 3 phased approach
Sylvia Cadena:Ok
Erika Mann:Outside the scope, agree
Olga Cavalli:ok
Asha Hemrajani:on a separate note, when we have a public forum in Hyderabad, India, we should take pains to clearly explain the 3 phased approach
Sylvia Cadena:I think we mentioned in the charter as one of the considerations for the CCWG to discuss
Asha Hemrajani:ok for me too
Olga Cavalli:agree with Asha
Marika Konings:I believe it is in the DT, but I will review
Marika Konings:in the charter
Marika Konings:not DT
Sylvia Cadena:Yes, I think on the charter we have a list of things to consider, criteria, evaliation etc were there
Asha Hemrajani:yes we do already!
Sylvia Cadena:I think we left it all quite loose because of the fact that the ICANN mission is also being worked out...
Erika Mann:YOu still can't hear me. move on
Asha Hemrajani:I agree that this part needs more fleshing out
Sylvia Cadena:No worries
Erika Mann:CCWG will have to frame and define the scope and goals for the allocation of the fund.
Asha Hemrajani:Steve Crocker had raised this point too. the CCWG should define what the end goals are
Erika Mann:Specific objectives might relate to goals and scope, objectives might be a subset of things to achieve
Asha Hemrajani:+1 Erika
Jonathan Robinson:@Asha, Erica - if we move point to right of colon as answer / DT response, is that satisfactory?
Erika Mann:For me yes, Jonathan
Asha Hemrajani:right of which colon?
Asha Hemrajani:in the notes section?
Asha Hemrajani:Comment 29 - The CCWG will be responsible for choosing the specific objectives and shaping those further. [ACTION: Staff to ensure this is mapped into Charter]
Asha Hemrajani:high level goals
Erika Mann:I agree with Alan, objectives is too narrow
Sylvia Cadena:Ok
Asha Hemrajani:I think this is a misunderstanding
Erika Mann:It's too confusing
Asha Hemrajani:#30
Erika Mann:This should be up to the CCWG to decide ... depends on the real allocation structure that will be setup in the future
Alan Greenberg:No restriction, but we do assume the disbursement will be over a relatively long period.
Erika Mann:Agree with Alan
Sylvia Cadena:I think the DT should state that there will be no restrictions of this kind
Erika Mann:I would separate the two items and not have them in a single sentence
Asha Hemrajani:why not split it into two separate sentences
Asha Hemrajani:exactly Marika!
Asha Hemrajani:I think it was about one time revenue source, not how many times an applicant has applied
Asha Hemrajani:agree with Alan's point - don't use the words "one time funding"
Sylvia Cadena:Ok, if it refers to one time revenue source then it will be ok. One time funding is a different expression, as Alan said
Asha Hemrajani:yes use "revenue source"
Erika Mann:Let's be silent
Sylvia Cadena:The mandate is at the beginning of the charter, about round 1.
Asha Hemrajani:so could we answer in the public comment tool but not put into the charter?
Asha Hemrajani:agree Jonathan
Sylvia Cadena:Ok
Sylvia Cadena:That will be great Marika
Sylvia Cadena:That will certainly make it clear for people that comments were addressed
Asha Hemrajani:Alan, from my notes - yes it was the gentleman from tucows who brought this up. His name is Elliott?
Sylvia Cadena:Who was the person that made the comment so repetitively?
Marika Konings:Eliott Noss
Marika Konings:comment #36 also talks about one-off process
Sylvia Cadena:round 1, we should clarify that is round 1 (in full)
Sylvia Cadena:agree with Alan
Alan Greenberg:The CCWG, in its wisdom, may decide to use all of the money in one fell swoop!
Asha Hemrajani:yes Alan - the CCWG might give it all to a foundation
Alan Greenberg:I would fight it tooth and nail unless *I* am the recipient
Asha Hemrajani:Really Alan :-)
Alan Greenberg:ok, I will share with a few selected friends
Erika Mann:Agree
Asha Hemrajani:agree 500%!
Sylvia Cadena:Yes please, try to finish the comment tool
Erika Mann:Outside the scope
Asha Hemrajani:this is related to the previous point #30
Asha Hemrajani:a bit connected
Erika Mann:Alan!
Asha Hemrajani:I agree with the principle that the CCWG should have a finite life- again this question came out of ignorance of the 3 phased process
Erika Mann:Can you repeaat Jonathan
Asha Hemrajani:Jonathan, I like your draft answer
Jonathan Robinson:Thanks Asha. @Erica. Please see RHS - draft answer to comment 32
Erika Mann:Wil check
Asha Hemrajani:Comment 32 - DT does expect the CCWG to have a finite life and the CCWG will not be involved in any distribution decisions.
Asha Hemrajani:Erika, I pasted it above for you
Erika Mann:Thanks Asha. I have problem with the right column. Either it's so small that I can't read or I can only see half of the column
Erika Mann:Alan, good point but I would only say that the CCWG should consider and should come up with alternative proposals that should be investigated
Erika Mann:Exactly Asha
Jonathan Robinson:@Asha. Assume income accrues to the fund. Correct?
Erika Mann:Alan, I think we need to discuss this as soon as we have the processses in place.
Alan Greenberg:Just a note to augment the charter after we finish the PC review.
Sylvia Cadena:Agree with Alan
Erika Mann:Asha, let's discuss this with the Board
Erika Mann:Anyone still there???
Sylvia Cadena:I am here Erika
Erika Mann:Hi Sylvia!
Sylvia Cadena::)
Sylvia Cadena:Maybe to have a diagram that explains? That way people migh actually get it, as they might not read the whole charter
Erika Mann:It's a bit deeper this point. It says that criterias for the expected results should be setup. Agree with what Alan is saying.
Asha Hemrajani:Sylvia, we did have a diagram at helsinki.
Sylvia Cadena:On 34 the DT can add to the list of things to consider for the CCWG what are the minimum outcomes for accountability
Sylvia Cadena:The PPT was a lot of text, not very clear. At least the one I saw before
Asha Hemrajani:but our thoughts were not that mature yet on this, but now they have formed up more. So for Hyderabad, we can have clearer material
Asha Hemrajani:sylvia, have a look at diagrams that marika added - you can ask her later
Sylvia Cadena:On 34 the DT can add to the list of things to consider for the CCWG what are the minimum outcomes for accountabilit
Sylvia Cadena:Is important to define a minimum
Asha Hemrajani:I agree with your proposed answer to #35
Sylvia Cadena:Agree Jonatahn, on diversity
Asha Hemrajani:jonathan, could we go back to #34
Sylvia Cadena:I also commented on #34. On 34 the DT can add to the list of things to consider for the CCWG what are the minimum outcomes for accountability
Sylvia Cadena:There are different outcomes depending on different projects, so for the CCWG can define what a minimum will be to compare all the different ones
Erika Mann:I recommend not to do this, these kind of things need more time to think through and it depends how much risk one would be willing to take.
Sylvia Cadena:That is not set from the start. That is based on each grant
Erika Mann:I agree with Sylvia
Asha Hemrajani:yes good point - Sylvia. I was referring to success of the funding, not individual projects
Asha Hemrajani:Jonathan, give us some time to mull over this a bit more
Alan Greenberg:This is a WELL estblished process.
Alan Greenberg:established
Alan Greenberg:We are nowhere near the first group to give away money with specific aims in mind.
David Tait:Jonathan just to clarify I've used the term 'grants' to make clear this is distinct from the stewarding function of the funds.
Sylvia Cadena:ok
Asha Hemrajani:open to another date
Alan Greenberg:I should be available to chair if needed. But Joanthan's wisdom is always helpful.
Sylvia Cadena:It will be great to have the comments asap, so that we can make progress on the charter
Asha Hemrajani:I have difficulty for 24th also
Erika Mann:Okay
Alan Greenberg:Good meeting
Erika Mann:Thanks!
Sylvia Cadena:Thank you all ::)
Asha Hemrajani:Excellent progress Jonathan, well done!
Asha Hemrajani:Thank you all
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