[Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Is the INGO Identifier List subject to revisions?
Paul Keating
Paul at law.es
Wed Jan 24 21:51:03 UTC 2018
Thank you Mary,
While the GNSP PDP recommendation may state as much, there seems no reason
why we cannot address the issue in our report. I for one (and many others
including Petter) have voiced objection to any policy change that would
grant INGOs added rights based upon their appearing in such lists. IMHO
such lists are entirely unofficial and subject to change at any time.
Further, as I understand it, an INGO can remain on the list even if another
government objects. Finally, there is no requirement that the asserted
moniker be a unique identifier or limited to the formal name of the INGO.
This was one of the reasons I stated my objection to the creation of any
special remedial process.
Paul
From: Gnso-igo-ingo-crp <gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 6:52 PM
To: Paul Tattersfield <gpmgroup at gmail.com>,
"petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" <petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu>
Cc: "gnso-igo-ingo-." <gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Is the INGO Identifier List subject to
revisions?
> Hello everyone,
>
> Please be aware that the GNSO PDP recommendation was very clear, and it was
> approved both by the GNSO Council (in November 2013) and the Board (in April
> 2014). The PDP Working Group had specifically stated that, for INGOs (other
> than the Red Cross and the International Olympic Committee), the applicable
> names are those INGOs either in General Consultative or Special Consultative
> status with ECOSOC). You may also wish to note that second level protections
> for these INGO names are limited to a 90-days claims notification period (i.e.
> similar to the Trademark Claims service).
>
> Even though the Implementation Review Team (IRT) for the PDP (on which Petter
> is participating) is still in operation, the IRT Principles that were adopted
> by the GNSO Council in 2016 provide that IRTs ³should not be used as a tool to
> reopen a previously explored policy issue Š. unless circumstances have changed
> and/or new information is available².
>
> At this stage, to reopen the issue for additional policy discussion will mean
> that a request needs to be made to the GNSO Council.
>
> I hope this is helpful.
>
> Cheers
> Mary
>
>
> From: Gnso-igo-ingo-crp <gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
> Paul Tattersfield <gpmgroup at gmail.com>
> Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 07:01
> To: "petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu" <petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu>
> Cc: "gnso-igo-ingo-." <gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Is the INGO Identifier List subject to
> revisions?
>
>
>
> Petter,
>
> This is basic stuff, even without George¹s comments, I¹m amazed no one picked
> it up, but with George taking the time to comment it¹s unbelievable!
>
> How can the IRT team get this fixed? Does it need to go back to the GNSO?
> Best regards,
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Petter Rindforth
> <petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu> wrote:
>>
>> Hi again,
>>
>>
>>
>> We (the IRT) have a meeting at the Gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>
>> If there is a specific question regarding the INGO identifier list you would
>> like me to raise, please let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Petter
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Petter Rindforth, LL M
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>> 24 januari 2018 14:09:56 +01:00, skrev Jay Chapman <jay at digimedia.com>:
>>>
>>> +1 Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Jay Chapman
>>>
>>> On Jan 24, 2018 5:41 AM, "Paul Tattersfield" <gpmgroup at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Mary for confirming the history, that is helpful.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think it shows the dangers of ICANN building policy based on the
>>>> principle of relying on third party lists especially ones subject to
>>>> regular revision over time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gong (2011)
>>>>
>>>> Karp (2012)
>>>>
>>>> Mosaic (2013)
>>>>
>>>> Witness (2013)
>>>>
>>>> Rare (2015)
>>>>
>>>> Restored (2016)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think it also demonstrates how bad policy can evolve out of trying to
>>>> create quick fix solutions only perceived as necessary as a result of other
>>>> unrelated flawed approaches.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not good someone should have been on top of this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:20 AM, Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Paul and everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The list of INGOs is that of the United Nations Economic and Social
>>>>> Council (ECOSOC), and the GNSO PDP recommendation was to use the ECOSOC
>>>>> list. As such, it is not up to ICANN to make changes to that list;
>>>>> additions, modifications and deletions are determined under the applicable
>>>>> UN rules for organizations obtaining or maintaining recognition (e.g.
>>>>> general or consultative status) with ECOSOC. The staff understanding is
>>>>> that any updates needing to be made to the ICANN list as a result of
>>>>> changes to the ECOSOC list will be handled through the UN¹s Department of
>>>>> Economic and Social Affairs (DESA).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Gnso-igo-ingo-crp <gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
>>>>> Paul Tattersfield <gpmgroup at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 14:03
>>>>> To: "gnso-igo-ingo-." <gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Is the INGO Identifier List subject to
>>>>> revisions?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the recently published INGO Identifier List subject to revisions?
>>>>> https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/packages/reserved-names/ingo-ide
>>>>> ntifier-list.xml[icann.org]
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_sites_
>>>>> default_files_packages_reserved-2Dnames_ingo-2Didentifier-2Dlist.xml&d=DwM
>>>>> FaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6
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>>>>> 0poKNZr6aRnDjt917fA-WZ0KJ58OTvEXOmsXMuk&e=>
>>>>>
>>>>> A cursory look shows names like
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> gong
>>>>>
>>>>> karp
>>>>>
>>>>> mosaic
>>>>>
>>>>> rare
>>>>>
>>>>> restored
>>>>>
>>>>> witness
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gong is an acronym for Gradani organizirano nadgledaju glasan
>>>>>
>>>>> Karp is an acronym for The Korean Association of Retired Persons
>>>>>
>>>>> Moisaic is a branding for More Mosaic NGO & Mosaic International NGO
>>>>>
>>>>> Including rare, restored & witness doesn't sit well with the principal of
>>>>> coexistence.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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