[Gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt] irregularities within RDAP
Volker Greimann
vgreimann at key-systems.net
Thu Sep 29 15:19:04 UTC 2016
Hi Francisco,
it is not as easy as you make it:
> The date for shutting down Whois port 43 has not been discussed or
> defined with the community. Therefore, stating 1 February 2017 we
> would be in the transition period where both WHOIS and RDAP would coexist.
>
There does not have to be a date for registrars that have submitted all
data to the newly thick registry. According to section 3.3.1 of the 2013
RAA, the registrar can switch off its whois servers the second the
registry becomes thick for the data relating to the domains registered
through him. There is no "transition time" after the upload has
completed and the registry has begun outputting whois for these domains
on their end. So you will see a period where some registrars are still
outputting their whois themselves while others will have already
switched it off:
3.3.1 At its expense, Registrar shall provide an interactive web page
and, *with respect to any **gTLD**operating a "thin" registry*, a port
43 Whois service (each accessible via both IPv4 and IPv6) providing free
public query-based access to up-to-date (i.e., updated at least daily)
*data**concerning all active Registered Names sponsored by Registrar in
any **gTLD*.
> The requirement for having a valid DNSSEC chain of trust is not coming
> from the RDAP RFCs; this is a requirement from the gTLD RDAP profile
> that was discussed and agreed with the community.
>
Was it now? Can you provide the exact reference to this agreement? I am
not aware of this having passed the GNSO Council.
>
>
> Regarding variants, section 1.5.17 of the profile addresses this: /In
> the case of Registrars, the variants member MUST reflect the latest
> known set of variant domain names and relation types./
>
/What profile are you referring to here? The profile described in the
RAA has no section 1.5.17.
Best,
Volker
/
>
> Regards,
>
> --
>
> Francisco
>
> On 9/26/16, 5:05 AM, "gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
> theo geurts" <gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
> gtheo at xs4all.nl <mailto:gtheo at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>
> Thanks Dennis,
>
> First of all, if we look what has been published is that RDAP
> should be implemented Feb 1, 2017 (draft 1 April). What I am
> missing, is a transition period. If everyone implements it, and
> shuts down the WHOIS servers we have a problem.
>
> The resource records related to the RDAP service MUST be signed
> with DNSSEC, and the DNSSEC chain of trust from the root trust
> anchor to the name of the RDAP server MUST be valid at all times.
> -Looks sensible, but I cannot find this in the RFC's mentioned, is
> the above language a result of this?
>
> In the case (i.e. uppercase and lowercase) of the data returned in
> RDAP responses SHOULD preserve the case received via EPP.
> -TG- This needs to be specified perhaps for contact fields for
> example. As it, reads now you register ExAmPlE.com but you cannot
> return, example.com. Least that is how I read it.
>
> The domain object in the RDAP response MUST contain entities with
> the following roles. Exactly one entity per role MUST be present
> in the response.
> -TG-Most gTLDs support more roles. Is there no support or does the
> policy ends this support for more roles?
>
> -RDAP does not support a country code for a contact, rather RDAP
> requires a full country name.
> -TG- This, is a mapping nightmare, not everyone supports the
> official mapping, not sure how much work this is and will vary
> from Registrar to Registrar.
>
> If the queried domain name is allocated, the following applies: If
> allocated variant domain names exist for the queried domain name,
> or if the domain name is an allocated variant domain name, the
> domain object in the RDAP response MUST contain a variants member
> [RFC7483].
> -TG- We do not store this, and it seems to contradict the
> following in the profile :"The purpose of this profile is to
> specify the RDAP requirements that are in line with the current
> Whois service requirements."
>
> Best regards,
>
> Theo
>
> On 24-9-2016 20:10, Dennis Chang wrote:
>
> Hi Theo,
>
> This is the first item on the agenda for the IRT meeting on
> Tuesday.
>
> Please keep the questions coming.
>
> If you could provide specifics on “irregularities within RDAP”
> and “clarification on a few issues” in advance, that will help
> us to prepare better for our team discussion.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dennis Chang
>
> *From: *theo geurts <gtheo at xs4all.nl> <mailto:gtheo at xs4all.nl>
> *Date: *Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 1:16 AM
> *To: *"Anderson, Marc" <mcanderson at verisign.com>
> <mailto:mcanderson at verisign.com>, Dennis Chang
> <dennis.chang at icann.org> <mailto:dennis.chang at icann.org>,
> "gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt at icann.org"
> <mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt at icann.org>
> <gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt at icann.org>
> <mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [Gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt] Proposed Path Forward
> | Thick Whois CL&D Policy, RDAP and RySG Request for
> Reconsideration
>
> Dennis,
>
> This looks like the path forward, and I am supportive of the
> proposed path forward as a Registrar.
>
> Perhaps I am jumping the gun here, but how would this dialogue
> with the community take place?
> Furthermore, how do we address irregularities within RDAP? Or
> get clarification on a few issues that I assume have not been
> discussed yet?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Theo
>
>
> On 21-9-2016 19:58, Anderson, Marc wrote:
>
> Dennis,
>
> Thank you for the excellent explanation and details. On
> behalf of Verisign and as a member of the RySG I would
> like to express my support for the revised CL&D policy and
> the path forward you have laid out.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Marc Anderson
>
> *From:*gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces at icann.org>
> [mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces at icann.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Dennis Chang
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:42 PM
> *To:* gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt at icann.org>
> *Subject:* [Gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt] Proposed Path Forward
> | Thick Whois CL&D Policy, RDAP and RySG Request for
> Reconsideration
>
> Dear IRT members,
>
> As you know, on 7 February 2014, the ICANN Board adopted
> GNSO consensus policy recommendations regarding the
> provision of “Thick” Whois by all gTLD registries.
>
> In consultation with the consensus policy Implementation
> Review Team (IRT), the implementation team identified two
> expected outcomes in the policy development process (PDP)
> recommendations:
>
> * The consistent labeling and display of WHOIS output
> for all gTLDs
> * The transition from Thin to Thick WHOIS for .COM, .NET
> and .JOBS
>
> The first outcome was published as a consensus policy, the
> Registry Registration Data Directory Services Consistent
> Labeling and Display Policy[icann.org]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_rdds-2Dlabeling-2Dpolicy-2D2016-2D07-2D26-2Den&d=DQMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=dqLP1wJqBvDSYLKrSEaAkCi_Kv0Mk5D_d32n29DHCN8&m=pkBrE3ogDYFgpWAATzOOdmRD93_Pz1PCrWtnSZN7Lg4&s=7mN42JF9avjgJDjFj4ZrjgmhMajcH8mgr2MOTxILGts&e=>
> (CL&D Policy), on 26 July 2016.
>
> In August 2016, the Registry Stakeholder Group (RySG)
> submitted a Request for Reconsideration[icann.org]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_reconsideration-2D16-2D10-2Drysg-2Drequest-2D2016-2D08-2D11-2Den&d=DQMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=dqLP1wJqBvDSYLKrSEaAkCi_Kv0Mk5D_d32n29DHCN8&m=pkBrE3ogDYFgpWAATzOOdmRD93_Pz1PCrWtnSZN7Lg4&s=f3NsGYRUd-AUuYr1fLckI0cksGxfF7ZbHmR82CBKyPg&e=>
> (RfR) regarding the CL&D Policy. The RfR objects to the
> inclusion of RDAP as part of the Consensus Policy as RDAP
> was not contemplated or referenced in the policy
> recommendations.
>
> To resolve this matter, ICANN proposes the following path
> forward for the IRT:
>
> 1. ICANN to issue a revised CL&D Policy to all registry
> operators, removing provision 12. For your reference,
> provision 12 states: “The implementation of an RDAP
> service in accordance with the "RDAP Operational Profile
> for gTLD Registries and Registrars[icann.org]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_rdap-2Dgtld-2Dprofile&d=DQMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=dqLP1wJqBvDSYLKrSEaAkCi_Kv0Mk5D_d32n29DHCN8&m=pkBrE3ogDYFgpWAATzOOdmRD93_Pz1PCrWtnSZN7Lg4&s=BEeCQrYK7JMscoggE25Woxu-0TdskrtCGjX6Sj6NVTo&e=>"
> is required for all gTLD registries in order to achieve
> consistent labeling and display.” Additionally, I have
> attached the proposed revised CL&D Policy.
>
> 2. Issue a revised notification to registry operators
> regarding implementation of the CL&D Policy, clearly
> indicating what has changed in the revised CL&D Policy.
>
> 3. Set the revised CL&D Policy effective date to allow for
> full 6-month implementation from the date of the revised
> notice.
>
> 4. Update the published CL&D Policy on the ICANN website,
> noting a change has been made. Note: The revised CL&D
> Policy would _not_ be subject to another Public Comment
> process.
>
> 5. Rescind the notification sent to registrars to
> implement RDAP.
>
> ICANN intends to issue notices for registries and
> registrars to implement RDAP after further dialogue with
> the community.
>
> Please let us know if you have comments or concerns by
> responding to this list. Unless we hear otherwise, we
> intend to move forward with the plan outlined above on 4
> October 2016.
>
> —
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Dennis S. Chang
>
> GDD Services & Engagement Program Director
>
> +1 213 293 7889
>
> Skype: dennisSchang
>
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