[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt4] Attendance, Recording, AC recording, & AC Chat from New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team Track 4 ­ IDNs/Technical & Operations call on Thursday, 14 September 2017

Julie Bisland julie.bisland at icann.org
Thu Sep 14 21:48:15 UTC 2017

Dear All,

Please find the attendance and recording of the call attached to this email. The Adobe Connect recording and AC Chat are below for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 4 – IDNs/Technical & Operations held on Thursday, 14 September 2017 at 20:00 UTC.

Adobe Connect recording:   https://participate.icann.org/p93vvmmwizf/<https://participate.icann.org/p93vvmmwizf/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=00c812ada3468bdbf76ab76ba262cba38f6b379ff1ecf84d6fb621aa57924c15>

The recordings of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar

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Agenda Wiki page:  https://community.icann.org/x/ERohB

Thank you.

Kind regards,



Adobe Connect chat transcript for 14 September 2017

  Julie Bisland:Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 4 – IDNs/Technical & Operations on Thursday, 14 September 2017 at 20:00 UTC.

  Julie Bisland:Agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_ERohB&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=GC8dwGufawkQbzeVf1YcrIQcP1JWp6Kl6IfYzZ1mH1A&s=aLdb1sOWFWlCR4yIhV9cTJSxjkSfzENPIxFQ_OVWFbo&e=

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):of course 40kg+ "puppies have to play wrestle *at* your feet

  Jon Nevett:Quick question -- why is the IDNs/Technical & Operations WG looking at financial issues?

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):As an Evluation Question  it falls to us and WT2

  Jon Nevett:ok -- thanks

  Steve Chan:@Jon, I think the name for the WT could probably be a bit more broad. Here is the Wiki page for this subject: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_YT2AAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=GC8dwGufawkQbzeVf1YcrIQcP1JWp6Kl6IfYzZ1mH1A&s=rlfZRQAPG3FxmA7oHWWEcWA09ejFgkonKHAjVnloHzA&e=

  Steve Chan:@Trang, I have the PIRR extract if you have any desire to share.

  Jeff Neuman:Work Track 4 looks at all of the questions in the application

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Which would mean perhaps an even L O N G E R  name for this WT ;-)

  Alan Greenberg:What slide are we on?

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bless you

  Rubens Kuhl:5

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):slide 5

  Steve Chan:If anyone is interested in reviewing the Program Implementation Review Report, Financial Capability Evaluation section, there is an extract here on the Wiki: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_58735969_PIRR-5F2.7-2520Financial-2520Capability-2520Evaluation.pdf-3Fversion-3D1-26modificationDate-3D1484003566000-26api-3Dv2&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=GC8dwGufawkQbzeVf1YcrIQcP1JWp6Kl6IfYzZ1mH1A&s=gpohRBULqvtd3-YKrUeyDs0fto8OTJQkkxYBMX1IbTY&e=

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):perfect timing STeve  ;-)

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Thank You Trang

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):slide 6

  Jeff Neuman:what is it about the financial statements that caused failures?

  Jeff Neuman:Is it just related to proposed business cases?

  Jeff Neuman:yes

  Phil Buckingham:jeff  - there was no due diligence .  It was  ticking boxes according to a " balancing templated model  "  The template didnt balance . It was  standardised for ALL  applicants

  Phil Buckingham:how did they ( evaluators ) deteremine when  the application  ( rather than the applicant )  was a (not) a going  concern

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):it is not a viability or "health" check...

  Phil Buckingham:exactly Jeff . No applicant could  project revenues 5 years out in a brand new market place back in 2012 !

  Jeff Neuman:yes

  Jeff Neuman:thanks

  Jeff Neuman:So we have to go back to the original 2007 policy which states:  Applicants must be able to demonstrate their financial and organisational operational capability.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):In applicant support situations , support may even be required to present in appropriate language and form , business planning and financials etc.

  Phil Buckingham:so if there is no financial evaluation then  the  overall  mission statement ( q18) needs to be points scored in terms of financial , technical , operationally capability . This would need to be  points scored on an annual basis to check if there are any material changes .

  Trang Nguyen:or obtaining a certified statement from an auditor...

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):there is a risk of being too US  or EU centric on all this though Jeff

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):we always base things on our own experience set of course

  Phil Buckingham:any certified statement  would need to in complaince with US  GAAP , since ICANN is a US corporation . This could prove to be very problematic to  (say)  an African NGO applicant

  Jeff Neuman:But what is the remification of not passing any of these checks?

  Jeff Neuman:Of course "passing the checks" has to be defined

  Jeff Neuman:So you can be awarded the TLD, but not sign a contract?

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):it was a hypothetical  small island state of course ;-)

  Rubens Kuhl:Credit scores are very jurisdiction-dependent...

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):"credit score of [....]  or ratifyable alternate"  perhaps  Jeff

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):ergh typos  sorry

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):time check

  Jeff Neuman:But personally agree that the existing questions and answers did not really assess what it was meant to assess/

  Rubens Kuhl:Thanks Trang for joining us today!

  avri doria:bye. very informative, thanks

  Julie Bisland:The next New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 4 – IDNs/Technical & Operations will take place on Thursday, 28 September 2017 at 20:00 UTC for 60 minutes.

  Phil Buckingham:+1  Rubens  it might work in 1 st world countries . I cant see how this would work in  3 rd world ( potentially more riskier / corrupt )  countries

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):corruption can be a stable financial  system

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Bye all

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