[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Concerns on the WT5 Terms of Reference and proposed expansion of the scope of geo-names to include other concepts as well

Dave Kissoondoyal dave at igf-mu.org
Fri Dec 1 10:24:21 UTC 2017


+1 Martin

Best regards

Dave


On 01/12/2017 14:09, Martin Sutton wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Observing the email exchanges it seems we are diving into some of the 
> debates that will be resurfaced during the WT5 process.  It would be 
> helpful if we could focus back on the primary action of formulating 
> the ToR scope before we begin to get into the deeper discussions, 
> which we can focus on later.
>
> I applaud the enthusiasm of participants, please don’t let that wain. 
> Let’s make sure that enthusiasm and passion is channeled in a positive 
> and respectful way as we move forward with our work, encouraging broad 
> participation and an appreciation of the different views brought to 
> the group.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Martin
>
> *Martin Sutton*
> Co-Leader, WT5
>
>> On 1 Dec 2017, at 08:03, Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Sir
>> Thanks
>> But there a course of action to be taken seeking the views of the 
>> country when its heritage , history ,culture, social values,  belief 
>> ,faits , names of its mountains, Tibet’s, legend dates, names of its 
>> cuties, names of dynasties and and are to be used.
>> Thus is a courtesy disciple which should be followed.
>> Multistakeholder approach does not prevent to do so
>> In almost all caves the agreement would be granted . In relatively 
>> few caves, agreement would also be granted with some conditions to 
>> respond to those values.
>> What bothers me is there are a handful number of people ( you joined 
>> them for the first time) having a purely conservative behavior 
>> collectively and collegiality criticized, attacked and sometimes 
>> aggressive to the extent that it  could implied that it was a sort of 
>> repression ( dot talk )
>> Approach.
>> That is not admitted.
>> We should know that in this subject the notion of « majority “ /“ 
>> minority “ does not apply because the governments that are the 
>> stakeholder are always in minority status vis a vis others
>> I hope you have properly interpreted the fact mentioned.
>> Regards
>> Have a nice time
>> Kavouss
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 1 Dec 2017, at 02:26, Aslam Mohamed <aslam at rnaip.com 
>> <mailto:aslam at rnaip.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Kavouss
>>>
>>> I respectfully agree with you that it is ‘only’ Heather’s views. I 
>>> also respect Iran very much. But unfortunately sovereignty cannot 
>>> extend beyond one's territory. Since ICANN and gTLD are trans 
>>> national issues sovereignty might not be able to solve the problem - 
>>> there will be 200 or more sovereigns having their own assertions - a 
>>> sure recipe for chaos. And this is without the melee of rights in 
>>> personam and rem.
>>>
>>> That’s why the ICANN Bylaws become important and all stakeholders 
>>> and managements have to adopt that as the final word, unequivocally.
>>>
>>> *Kind Regards*
>>> *
>>> *
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>>> *US Business Development*
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>>>> On Nov 30, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Kavouss Arasteh 
>>>> <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Aslam
>>>> Thank for the paper
>>>>  However, it is simple the views of Dr. Heather Frorest and not 
>>>> more than that.
>>>> There are thousand of this type of articles which all reflect the 
>>>> views of their authors and nothing more
>>>> Kavouss
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Paul Rosenzweig 
>>>> <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com 
>>>> <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Sorry, Kavoush, but I am not a famous lawyer at all
>>>>
>>>>     As for your claim to the “rights” to old names – unless you can
>>>>     cite some law that is nothing more than a claim.  It is not at
>>>>     all “obvious” to me that you have any claim at all to those
>>>>     names … and the paper that Aslam cited makes clear why this is so.
>>>>
>>>>     If the basis for this discussion is going to be Iranian claims
>>>>     that it is “obvious” that they are right this is going to be a
>>>>     very short and fruitless conversation.
>>>>
>>>>     Paul
>>>>
>>>>     Paul Rosenzweig
>>>>
>>>>     M: +1 (202) 329-9650 <tel:%28202%29%20329-9650>
>>>>
>>>>     VOIP: +1 (202) 738 1739 <tel:%28202%29%20738-1739>
>>>>
>>>>     *From:*Arasteh [mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
>>>>     <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>]
>>>>     *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2017 3:20 PM
>>>>     *To:* Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>>>>     <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>>
>>>>     *Cc:* Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>     <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>; Aslam Mohamed
>>>>     <aslam at rnaip.com <mailto:aslam at rnaip.com>>; Icann Gnso Newgtld
>>>>     Wg Wt5 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 at icann.org
>>>>     <mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 at icann.org>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Concerns on the WT5 Terms
>>>>     of Reference and proposed expansion of the scope of geo-names
>>>>     to include other concepts as well
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Paul
>>>>
>>>>     I recognise you as one of the most famous well known lawyers in
>>>>     the USA
>>>>
>>>>     You may wish to consider that for obvious thing there is no to
>>>>     have «  so called «  international law
>>>>
>>>>     Customer law which is the most oldest and most referenced law
>>>>     could also be used as a proper reference
>>>>
>>>>     You and none of your supporter has a right I et the Persepolis
>>>>     Which is one of the well known capital of  one of the most
>>>>     ancient  civilisation   Acamanech  in greater Iran
>>>>
>>>>     No person is authorised to use the name in any level without
>>>>     the co sent of Iran
>>>>
>>>>     Whose who have recognised history understand that
>>>>
>>>>     Kavouss
>>>>
>>>>     Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On 30 Nov 2017, at 17:28, Paul Rosenzweig
>>>>     <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>>>>     <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Indeed, I would go further – there is no international law
>>>>         that I know of that gives a nation “sovereign rights” to
>>>>         place names …  I invite you Kavouss to point me to any such
>>>>         expression in binding (or even advisory) international law.
>>>>
>>>>         Paul
>>>>
>>>>         Paul Rosenzweig
>>>>
>>>>         M: +1 (202) 329-9650 <tel:%28202%29%20329-9650>
>>>>
>>>>         VOIP: +1 (202) 738 1739 <tel:%28202%29%20738-1739>
>>>>
>>>>         *From:*Greg Shatan [mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>         <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>]
>>>>         *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:18 AM
>>>>         *To:* Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
>>>>         <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>>
>>>>         *Cc:* Aslam Mohamed <aslam at rnaip.com
>>>>         <mailto:aslam at rnaip.com>>; Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg Wt5
>>>>         <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 at icann.org
>>>>         <mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 at icann.org>>; Paul Rosenzweig
>>>>         <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>>>>         <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>>
>>>>         *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Concerns on the WT5
>>>>         Terms of Reference and proposed expansion of the scope of
>>>>         geo-names to include other concepts as well
>>>>
>>>>         Kavouss has given us a succinct summary of one view of the
>>>>         “primacy issue.”   The claim that “there is no primacy
>>>>         issue” is in fact a key part of the primacy issue (since it
>>>>         really means “there is no issue if you acknowledge the
>>>>         primacy of governments”).
>>>>
>>>>         I agree that we all need to express our views freely.
>>>>         However, I see no attacks or anything offensive in this
>>>>         thread. Claims of attacks or offensive behavior have a a
>>>>         chilling effect on the free expression of views.
>>>>         Furthermore, the free expression of differing views
>>>>         includes (by definition) criticisms of those views. A
>>>>         request to abstain from criticism is a request to refrain
>>>>         from dialogue. Clearly, that’s not happening.
>>>>
>>>>         Of course, under the multistakeholder model, if enough of
>>>>         the members of this group support each other’s views that
>>>>         becomes the consensus result of this WT and this WG.  In
>>>>         the meantime those views need to be dealt with in
>>>>         substance, rather than being dismissed without consideration.
>>>>
>>>>         There are claims of legitimate rights on all sides of the
>>>>         issues here. We will need to weigh and analyze the basis of
>>>>         those claims and validity of those claims, and to determine
>>>>         how to balance the contradictions between various
>>>>         legitimate rights. Sovereignty is no trump card, especially
>>>>         when stacked against the rule of law.
>>>>
>>>>         Greg
>>>>
>>>>         On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 10:54 AM Arasteh
>>>>         <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
>>>>         <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             Dear All
>>>>
>>>>             There is no primacy issue here.
>>>>
>>>>             It is the sovereignty of governments on the names of
>>>>             their cities, rivers. Historical places, religious holy
>>>>             places legends which must be respected
>>>>
>>>>             There should be a respect to all these and no
>>>>             commercial interests shall compromise them
>>>>
>>>>             If there is supremacy on the table it does not come
>>>>             from governments but it from others that which to
>>>>             forced governments to give up their national and
>>>>             historical heritage
>>>>
>>>>             You can support each other’s as many time as you wish
>>>>             but that does not deprive any governments from its
>>>>             legitimate rights
>>>>
>>>>             We need to express our views freely without being
>>>>              criticised , collectively attacked and ofended
>>>>
>>>>             Tks
>>>>
>>>>             Kavouss
>>>>
>>>>             Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             On 30 Nov 2017, at 15:44, Paul Rosenzweig
>>>>             <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>>>>             <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                 Robin, Greg and Aslam are completely correct.  The
>>>>                 repeated efforts by the GAC to assert primacy in
>>>>                 the development of rules and policies is
>>>>                 antithetical to the very concept of the
>>>>                 multi-stakeholder model.  It is particularly
>>>>                 necessary to be cautious when GAC primacy is
>>>>                 asserted in support of mandates and authoritarian
>>>>                 models of behavior.
>>>>
>>>>                 Paul
>>>>
>>>>                 Paul Rosenzweig
>>>>
>>>>                 M: +1 (202) 329-9650 <tel:%28202%29%20329-9650>
>>>>
>>>>                 VOIP: +1 (202) 738 1739 <tel:%28202%29%20738-1739>
>>>>
>>>>                 *From:*Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
>>>>                 [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces at icann.org
>>>>                 <mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces at icann.org>] *On
>>>>                 Behalf Of *Greg Shatan
>>>>                 *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:28 AM
>>>>                 *To:* Aslam Mohamed <aslam at rnaip.com
>>>>                 <mailto:aslam at rnaip.com>>
>>>>                 *Cc:* Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg Wt5
>>>>                 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 at icann.org
>>>>                 <mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 at icann.org>>
>>>>                 *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Concerns on
>>>>                 the WT5 Terms of Reference and proposed expansion
>>>>                 of the scope of geo-names to include other concepts
>>>>                 as well
>>>>
>>>>                 Robin;
>>>>
>>>>                 Thank you very much for your thoughtful comments,
>>>>                 with which I wholeheartedly agree.
>>>>
>>>>                 It is important for all participants to acknowledge
>>>>                 that the views of each participant carry equal
>>>>                 weight and each participant participates on an
>>>>                 equal footing. Characterizing one participant’s
>>>>                 comments as “personal views” seems intended to be
>>>>                 dismissive. All views here are equally “personal”
>>>>                  as all are stakeholders. This is not a cyberspace
>>>>                 version of “Animal Farm,” where all animals are
>>>>                 equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
>>>>
>>>>                 Similarly, it’s important for any participant to be
>>>>                 cautious about claiming to speak for other
>>>>                 stakeholders without express authorization to do
>>>>                 so. This can appear to an attempt to inflate the
>>>>                 importance of one’s own views by claiming they are
>>>>                 the views of many. This is not helpful to genuine
>>>>                 dialogue, especially in conjunction with attempts
>>>>                 to minimize the views of others.
>>>>
>>>>                 We are each here to represent the views and
>>>>                 concerns of the many in our respective stakeholder
>>>>                 communities who do not and cannot participate
>>>>                 directly in the ICANN process. This equivalency is
>>>>                 fundamentally important to the success of the
>>>>                 multistakeholder process.
>>>>
>>>>                 Greg
>>>>
>>>>                 On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:59 PM Aslam Mohamed
>>>>                 <aslam at rnaip.com <mailto:aslam at rnaip.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                     Dear Kavouss
>>>>
>>>>                     I was quite impressed by your emphatic advocacy
>>>>                     for GAC in Abu Dhabi and I see it continues in
>>>>                     your comments on ToR in the mail trailed below.
>>>>                     However I would like to meet you sometime or
>>>>                     offline and till then emphasize that in a multi
>>>>                     stakeholder forum like ICANN, GAC will have to
>>>>                     modify it’s approach and not seek GAC primacy
>>>>                     in the decision making process. Hence I would
>>>>                     suggest we approach the entire WT5 process in a
>>>>                     spirit that GAC advice is NOT binding on the
>>>>                     Board and that the GAC would accept this
>>>>                     position as and when it arises.
>>>>
>>>>                     *Kind Regards*
>>>>
>>>>                     *Aslam G Mohamed. Advocate*
>>>>
>>>>                     *US Business Development*
>>>>
>>>>                     *Mob +1 646 243 9857 <tel:+1%20646%20243%209857>*
>>>>
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>>>>                         On Nov 29, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Kavouss
>>>>                         Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
>>>>                         <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                               Robin Gross via
>>>>                               <https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1311182?hl=en>
>>>>                               icann.org <http://icann.org/>
>>>>
>>>>                         	
>>>>
>>>>                         6:48 PM (1 hour ago)
>>>>
>>>>                         	
>>>>                         	
>>>>
>>>>                          within the lines
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                         	
>>>>                         	
>>>>
>>>>                         Dear All, I wish to comment on comments
>>>>                         made by Robin
>>>>
>>>>                         to gnso-newgtld-w.
>>>>
>>>>                         I didn’t have audio on last night’s WT5
>>>>                         call, so thought I’d send my comments
>>>>                         directly to the list today about the
>>>>                         proposed Terms of Reference revealed yesterday.
>>>>
>>>>                         /Paragraph 1: It is not appropriate to
>>>>                         include an “approval" model as something
>>>>                         this group will make recommendations on,
>>>>                         that presumptively moves away from the
>>>>                         model that the GNSO and Board created in
>>>>                         the last round, which intentionally and
>>>>                         explicitly did not require a
>>>>                         permission-based model for names.  It is
>>>>                         simply inappropriate for this fundamental
>>>>                         policy change to be slipped-in to the Terms
>>>>                         of Reference before we begin our work.  We
>>>>                         would be ill-advised to “put the cart
>>>>                         before the horse”, but this bracketed
>>>>                         language does exactly that./
>>>>
>>>>                         Reply
>>>>
>>>>                         This is your views,
>>>>
>>>>                         Views of many GAC MEMBER//is entirely /in
>>>>                         line with draft /The course of action
>>>>                         mentioned by the Board is before  2016
>>>>                         there were two procedure either seeking
>>>>                         agreement or apply the mitigation. Several
>>>>                         GAC//members opposed to the second option
>>>>                         /.There are/ /several GAC ADVICE IN THIS
>>>>                         REGARD/
>>>>
>>>>                         / ./
>>>>
>>>>                         /Paragraph 2: Regulating "names with a
>>>>                         cultural significance" and "names with
>>>>                         economic significance" are outside the
>>>>                         scope of this PDP. This is a PDP regarding
>>>>                         geo-names, so adding-on two additional
>>>>                         types of names into the ToR is an
>>>>                         inappropriate expansion of the scope of
>>>>                         this group’s mandate.  Let’s focus on
>>>>                         defining what “geo-names” are, rather than
>>>>                         including other concepts into the ToR --
>>>>                         that are geo-names. This PDP was set-up to
>>>>                         work on geo-names, the chartering
>>>>                         organizations agreed to participate under
>>>>                         the understanding that it would be limited
>>>>                         to geo-names, so we need to stick to our
>>>>                         mandate and our agreement in setting up the WT/
>>>>
>>>>                         Reply
>>>>
>>>>                         Again this is your personal views as many
>>>>                         GAC members associate crucial importance to
>>>>                         these two criteria
>>>>
>>>>                          While I support giving significant
>>>>                         consideration to risks in our analysis,
>>>>                         let's flesh this concept out more and also
>>>>                         include benefits in the analysis, rather
>>>>                         than being singularly focused on risks.  We
>>>>                         are in danger of having a wholly “negative”
>>>>                         analysis that won’t consider “positives” as
>>>>                         well.  We may wish to recognize that some
>>>>                         risks are worth taking and consider some
>>>>                         element of a risk-to-benefit analysis in
>>>>                         order to be more complete in our own
>>>>                         evaluation. Our analysis should recognize
>>>>                         that some issues create risks to one part
>>>>                         of ICANN community while simultaneously
>>>>                         creating benefits to other parts of the
>>>>                         ICANN community — we need to consider how
>>>>                         we will handle such mixed outcomes and
>>>>                         viewpoints in our analysis.  So I think
>>>>                         this can be a highly useful approach, but
>>>>                         needs to be fleshed out, balanced, and
>>>>                         nuanced a bit further in light of the
>>>>                         complexities.
>>>>                         /Reply/
>>>>
>>>>                         /While I disagree to start with risk based
>>>>                         approach at the begining of the process , I
>>>>                         disagree with you catégorisions it as negative/
>>>>
>>>>                         /Regards/
>>>>
>>>>                         Kavouss
>>>>
>>>>                         On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Martin
>>>>                         Sutton <martin at brandregistrygroup.org
>>>>                         <mailto:martin at brandregistrygroup.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                             Hi Robin,
>>>>
>>>>                             Thank you for sending through your
>>>>                             comments.  We will combine your
>>>>                             comments on the ToR with those provided
>>>>                             on the call and subsequent submissions
>>>>                             from WT5 members, so we can review on
>>>>                             next week’s call.
>>>>
>>>>                             Regarding the risk approach, I
>>>>                             over-simplified the slides in order to
>>>>                             focus attention on drawing out the
>>>>                             risks as a primary goal before leading
>>>>                             us into assessing the risks.  At that
>>>>                             stage we must look at whether the risks
>>>>                             themselves warrant any specific
>>>>                             controls (beyond the monitoring and
>>>>                             enforcement mechanisms for a live
>>>>                             registry) and how these could impact
>>>>                             any positive elements of enabling new
>>>>                             gTLDs relating to geographic terms.
>>>>                             This is an important aspect of the
>>>>                             process and needs to balance the risks
>>>>                             we are concerned about with the level
>>>>                             of controls applied.  Back to my
>>>>                             physics days, every action has an equal
>>>>                             and opposite reaction - so as we move
>>>>                             the dial of controls, we do need to
>>>>                             appreciate the impact of such changes
>>>>                             with the aim of achieving an acceptable
>>>>                             balance.  I should have made that
>>>>                             clearer and I note that some of the
>>>>                             comments in the chat I have
>>>>                             subsequently read picked up on this
>>>>                             point as well.
>>>>
>>>>                             Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>>                             Martin
>>>>
>>>>                             *Martin Sutton*
>>>>
>>>>                             Executive Director
>>>>
>>>>                             Brand Registry Group
>>>>
>>>>                             martin at brandregistrygroup.org
>>>>                             <mailto:martin at brandregistrygroup.org>
>>>>
>>>>                                 On 29 Nov 2017, at 17:48, Robin
>>>>                                 Gross <robin at ipjustice.org
>>>>                                 <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                                 I didn’t have audio on last night’s
>>>>                                 WT5 call, so thought I’d send my
>>>>                                 comments directly to the list today
>>>>                                 about the proposed Terms of
>>>>                                 Reference revealed yesterday.
>>>>
>>>>                                 Paragraph 1: It is not appropriate
>>>>                                 to include an “approval" model as
>>>>                                 something this group will make
>>>>                                 recommendations on, that
>>>>                                 presumptively moves away from the
>>>>                                 model that the GNSO and Board
>>>>                                 created in the last round, which
>>>>                                 intentionally and explicitly did
>>>>                                 not require a permission-based
>>>>                                 model for names.  It is simply
>>>>                                 inappropriate for this fundamental
>>>>                                 policy change to be slipped-in to
>>>>                                 the Terms of Reference before we
>>>>                                 begin our work.  We would be
>>>>                                 ill-advised to “put the cart before
>>>>                                 the horse”, but this bracketed
>>>>                                 language does exactly that.
>>>>
>>>>                                 Paragraph 2: Regulating "names with
>>>>                                 a cultural significance" and "names
>>>>                                 with economic significance" are
>>>>                                 outside the scope of this PDP. This
>>>>                                 is a PDP regarding geo-names, so
>>>>                                 adding-on two additional types of
>>>>                                 names into the ToR is an
>>>>                                 inappropriate expansion of the
>>>>                                 scope of this group’s mandate.
>>>>                                   Let’s focus on defining what
>>>>                                 “geo-names” are, rather than
>>>>                                 including other concepts into the
>>>>                                 ToR -- that are geo-names. This PDP
>>>>                                 was set-up to work on geo-names,
>>>>                                 the chartering organizations agreed
>>>>                                 to participate under the
>>>>                                 understanding that it would be
>>>>                                 limited to geo-names, so we need to
>>>>                                 stick to our mandate and our
>>>>                                 agreement in setting up the WT.
>>>>
>>>>                                 While I support giving significant
>>>>                                 consideration to risks in our
>>>>                                 analysis, let's flesh this concept
>>>>                                 out more and also include benefits
>>>>                                 in the analysis, rather than being
>>>>                                 singularly focused on risks.  We
>>>>                                 are in danger of having a wholly
>>>>                                 “negative” analysis that won’t
>>>>                                 consider “positives” as well.  We
>>>>                                 may wish to recognize that some
>>>>                                 risks are worth taking and consider
>>>>                                 some element of a risk-to-benefit
>>>>                                 analysis in order to be more
>>>>                                 complete in our own evaluation. Our
>>>>                                 analysis should recognize that some
>>>>                                 issues create risks to one part of
>>>>                                 ICANN community while
>>>>                                 simultaneously creating benefits to
>>>>                                 other parts of the ICANN community
>>>>                                 — we need to consider how we will
>>>>                                 handle such mixed outcomes and
>>>>                                 viewpoints in our analysis.   So I
>>>>                                 think this can be a highly useful
>>>>                                 approach, but needs to be fleshed
>>>>                                 out, balanced, and nuanced a bit
>>>>                                 further in light of the complexities.
>>>>
>>>>                                 Thanks,
>>>>                                 Robin
>>>>
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