[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names

Mon Apr 30 13:22:44 UTC 2018

Hello Liz,

While I'm a strong supporter of delegation of GeoNames (as opposed to
reservation and never using it) if by having ¨no special treatment¨ do
you mean charging the same amounts for applications of a small community
that where applied in the last round, I really have the feeling that you
are translating the very strong bias prevalent in the 2012 AGB towards
big companies and rich countries to subsequent rounds and I couldn't
support this at all.  

And if you think that the last round´s late and misguided efforts to
support applications from the Global South could help, then my
expectations of any subsequent round disappear. If WT-5 can't open a
fair and reasonable space for smaller cities and communities to have a
FIRST RIGHT against the interest monopolistic ccTLDs (doesn't matter if
privately owned or state supported) and large portfolio investors in
Domain Names, then I'm afraid I'm in the wrong group (again). And I
insist that I´m not asking for no more protection than a FIRST RIGHT. 

If the only approach possible for smaller communities is the market
approach, and as a small community I would find myself having to choose
between ICANN and my Government. I could only applaud that france.com
went back to the French Government. 

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Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez

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El 2018-04-29 23:18, Liz Williams escribió:

> Hello everyone  
> 
> I wanted to start a new thread of conversation about city names ahead of our upcoming conference call.   We are being encouraged by our co-chairs to think about city names as TLDs. The first point is, perhaps, to recognise the "success" of some previous city TLDs including Berlin, Paris, NYC and so on.  Those applications went through very specific requirements for evaluation and, now, hopefully serve the requirements of local communities.  We should hope that, in any new round, the experiences of those cities will ease the way for future applications because we have learnt something about how and why applicants apply for place names (and I use the word place deliberately) as top level domain labels. 
> 
> For our next round of policy recommendations I wanted to use an example which I think highlights the difficulties we face if we are prescriptive and limited in our analysis. 
> 
> Most of us know that Perth is the capital city of Western Australia.  It is not the capital city of Australia as Canberra has that honour.  Relying on a "is the word a capital city" question is fraught with difficulty.   It is difficult because Perth, Scotland, has at a bare minimum had city status since the 12th century, far longer than Perth, Australia which also has an indigenous place name, its colonial name and a migrant demographic where the largest majority of Perth residents come from England.  Things are complicated by the existence of Perth in Canada which, in its own right, has some features of a capital and, at the very least, some important historic linkages. 
> 
> And then we turn to the generic words which Jon Nevett highlighted in a previous post (Bath, Save, New) which are also place names. 
> 
> That leads us to what can we usefully and objectively recommend as treatment of other names which are also linked to places and how those could be treated as top level domains.  As a starting point, my recommendation would be that we don't have any special treatment for place names as TLDs and that applicants for those names would be evaluated against other business and technical criteria just like another application.  However, we might want to think about better ways of handling an objection.  Those objections, from whatever quarter, need to be treated in exactly the same way.  I don't recommend "letters of support or non-objection".  They are too subjective, fraught with movable political nuance and, in some cases, deeply sensitive geo-political facts (using Jerusalem as the example). 
> 
> I look forward to hearing the views of others. 
> 
> Liz 
> 
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