[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group - 11 December 2017

Thu Jan 4 11:29:51 UTC 2018

Hi

If we speak only and strictly about business models in the sense how to
market and how to monetize the transactions then yes this part is not
restricted nor specified by ICANN nor any of the sub organisations. But
leaving that aside ICANN dictates great deal on how one can and must run a
*gTLD (what data to collect how to verify the data and contacts, where and
how to store the data etc) furthermore the city government has almost no
control over how the city geo gTLD is run, marketed or used unless it
operates the TLD it self. The letter of non-objection works as one time
sign-off. If the winner of the "beauty contest" decides not to act
according to their initial sales pitch - i do not see on what grounds could
the city government request ICANN to stop the delegation or re-delegate it
to another entity. Someone please correct me if I am wrong here by pointing
me to correct regulation.

Best Regards
Timo Võhmar
Estonian Internet Foundation

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 12:14 AM, Alexander Schubert <
alexander at schubert.berlin> wrote:

> Hi,
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> Per request of Jeff I am sending this answer to the WT5 email address!
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> I think we are mixing up stuff here. Nobody (especially not the gNSO or
> ICANN) wants or can “dictate” anybody how to operate a city gTLD
> applicant/registry – with the (implied) sole exception of the city
> government that has to grant the letter of non-objection.
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> And that is the beauty of the chosen approval model: not ICANN decides who
> shall operate a city-gTLD but the representatives of the city; on the basis
> of the operation model brought forward by the applicant. In fact this is
> the old fashioned “beauty contest” – but outsourced to the city government!
> And that makes sense: you want that the city is evaluating the model and
> choses the one that is in the best interest of the CITY – not that some
> backroom auction winner takes over the city’s online identity.
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> Thanks,
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> Alexander
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> *From:* Gnso-newgtld-wg [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Jeff Neuman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 03, 2018 3:36 AM
> *To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>; theo geurts <
> gtheo at xs4all.nl>; Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>; Rubens
> Kuhl <rubensk at nic.br>; gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD
> Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group - 11 December 2017
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> Thanks Michele, Theo, Kavouss, Vanda and Christopher.
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> Seems like we have a cross over of issues here between the overall group
> and the new Work Track 5.  I would encourage overall discussions on
> business models to stay within this mailing list, but remove any issues on
> geographic names to Work Track 5 when we get into the substance.
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> Thus, the issue of whether business models of registries in general or
> within some “categories” of TLDs should be explored here.  But whether TLDs
> that coincide with geographic names should or should not be of a certain
> business model, should be discussed within Work Track 5.
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> The reason is not to stifle discussion, but I note that not all of the
> participants of Work Track 5 are in fact participants in this overall
> group.  I want to make sure that all Work Track 5 participants see all
> discussions that relate to “geographic names”
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> Thanks
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> *Jeffrey J. Neuman*
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> *From:* Gnso-newgtld-wg [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Michele Neylon -
> Blacknight
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 2, 2018 6:37 AM
> *To:* theo geurts <gtheo at xs4all.nl>; Kavouss Arasteh <
> kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>; Rubens Kuhl <rubensk at nic.br>;
> gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD
> Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group - 11 December 2017
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> I’d also be quite concerned about dictating the business models of a
> registry.
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> Looking at the new TLDs that have launched to date (there are still quite
> a few that haven’t), the more flexible they are in terms of their business
> models the better and more sustainable they are.
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> I also wonder why anyone would think that mandating “non-profit” is viable
> or what that’s even based on.
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> Regards
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> Michele
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> *From: *Gnso-newgtld-wg <gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
> theo geurts <gtheo at xs4all.nl>
> *Date: *Monday 1 January 2018 at 21:14
> *To: *Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>, Rubens Kuhl <
> rubensk at nic.br>, "gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org" <gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD
> Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group - 11 December 2017
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> I think we are overstepping the scope of the WG here. Is this WG going to
> decide on business models? If that is the case, I think this WG should
> inform the GNSO and make sure we are within scope.
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> Thanks,
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> Theo Geurts
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> Theo
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> On 1-1-2018 21:19, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
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> Dear All,
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> First of all Happy new years to all .
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> While I agree with Christopher and Vanda ,in principle , however,
> this should be further explored and discussed
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> .
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> Regards
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> Kavouss
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> On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk at nic.br> wrote:
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> Vanda,
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> I believe Katrin and Maxim were disagreeing with Christopher; just for
> clarity, do you believe that GeoTLDs should be required to be non-profit
> operations and have registration restrictions (like Christopher suggested)
> or to not have any of such requirements (like Katrin and Maxim suggested) ?
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> Rubens
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> Em 28 de dez de 2017, à(s) 17:52:000, Vanda Scartezini <
> vanda at scartezini.org> escreveu:
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> Totally agree with Christopher, the cities in my country are not to intend
> to be not for profit
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> Vanda Scartezini
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> Sorry for typos
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> On 28 Dec 2017, at 11:11, Katrin Ohlmer | DOTZON GmbH <ohlmer at dotzon.com>
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> +1
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> *Von:* Gnso-newgtld-wg [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces at icann.org>] *Im Auftrag von *Maxim Alzoba
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 28. Dezember 2017 08:05
> *An:* lists at christopherwilkinson.eu
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> *Betreff:* Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD
> Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group - 11 December 2017
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