[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] MP3 PPSAI WG - Tuesday 04 March 2014 at 1500 UTC

Terri Agnew terri.agnew at icann.org
Tue Mar 4 16:52:25 UTC 2014

Dear All,


Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services
Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 04 March 2014 at
15:00 UTC at:




On page: 



The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master
Calendar page:

 <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/



Luc Seufer - RrSG

Volker Greimann - RrSG

Graeme Bunton - RrSG

Tim Ruiz - RrSG

Sarah Wyld - RrSG

David Heasley - IPC

James Bladel - RrSG

Steve Metalitz - IPC

Kathy Kleiman - RySGgr

Justin Macy - BC

Darcy Southwell - RrSG

Alex Deacon - IPC

Todd Williams - IPC

Don Blumenthal - RySG

Libby Baney - BC

Phil Marano - IPC

Jim Bikoff - IPC

Griffin Barnett - IPC

Roy Balleste - NCUC

Amr Elsadr - NCUC

Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC

David Cake - NCSG

Valeriya Sherman - IPC

Marie-Laure Lemineur - NPOC

John Horton - BC

Stephanie Perrin - NCSG

Michele Neylon - RrSG

Jennifer Standiford - RrSG

Carlton Samuels - ALAC

Maria Farrell - NCUC 



Paul McGrady

Tobias Sattler - RrSG

Marika Konings - staff

Joe Catapano - staff


ICANN staff:

Mary Wong

Margie Milam

Amy Bivins

Mike Zupke

Terri Agnew

Nathalie Peregrine



** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **


Mailing list archives:



Wiki page:

 <https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg> https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg


Thank you.

Kind regards,

Terri Agnew





Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 04 March 2014:



  Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting on 04 March 2014

  Volker Greimann:Hi Mary, hi Terri

  Terri Agnew:Hello Volker

  Mary Wong:Welcome, Volker!

  Volker Greimann:can you turn on microphone connection on the adobe?

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Apologies Volker, done now!

  Kathy Kleiman:Hi All!

  Mary Wong:Welcome everyone; good morning/afternoon/evening all!

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Marie-Laure Lemineur and Michele Neylon have joined
the call

  Mary Wong:FYI we have "un-sync'ed" the slides so you can scroll up and
down on your own screen using the arrow keys.

  Terri Agnew:Jim Bikoff has joined audio

  Terri Agnew:David Cake has joined audio

  Terri Agnew:Amr Elsadr has joined

  Terri Agnew:Kiran Malancharuvil has joined

  Terri Agnew:Jennifer Standiford has joined

  Kathy Kleiman:Tx you Volker!

  Michele Neylon:Can anyone hear him?

  Mary Wong:Yes - are you able to, Michele?

  Don Blumenthal:I can

  Michele Neylon:hmmm

  Michele Neylon:I'll dial in

  Terri Agnew:Michele - Let me know if you need us to dial out to you

  Volker Greimann:yup, we do that too, left that out

  Terri Agnew:Michele - I don't see your mic is active on adobe connect

  Kathy Kleiman:Tx you Graeme!

  Volker Greimann:If anyone is interested, our service is located at

  Michele Neylon:Terri - I didn't want to speak

  Amr Elsadr::)

  Graeme Bunton:Our terms are here:

  Terri Agnew:Phil Marano has joined

  Graeme Bunton:thx James

  Kathy Kleiman:Tx James!

  Amr Elsadr:Thanks James.

  Bladel:DBP Terms of Service:

  Libby Baney:Thanks to all speakers

  Carlton Samuels:Hi everbyody

  Terri Agnew:Carlton I have you noted on attendance

  Carlton Samuels:Thks Terri. Apologies for late connection; intervening
priority needed attention

  Kiran Malancharuvil:Steve, I Can barely hear you, can you speak up? 

  Kathy Kleiman:Sorry, but can't hear you Steve.

  Tim Ruiz:Can Steve speak up please?

  Luc Seufer:can't hear Steve

  Kiran Malancharuvil:I think maybe someone else isn't on mute? 

  Carlton Samuels:Yes, much better

  Kiran Malancharuvil:better

  Terri Agnew:I am asking op to increase his volume 

  Volker Greimann:I can answer Steve

  Michele Neylon:we're not obliged to

  Michele Neylon:not sure what he's asking

  Michele Neylon:we are obliged to check email or phone

  Michele Neylon:under 2013

  Michele Neylon:(we aren't on 2013)

  Luc Seufer:this is how we handleit

  Luc Seufer:(we don't offer p/p services ourselves)

  Carlton Samuels:@Volker: To be sure, IF there is a problem with the domain
in your case it is the registrar that initiaites contact with the registrant
of record, not the p/p provider?

  Graeme Bunton:also, to be clear, we don't offer our service to other

  Graeme Bunton:Domains need to be in OpenSRS

  Bladel:Not applicable in Arizona. :)

  steve metalitz:QUESTION for James, Volker, Graeme:  Are Whois rdata
eminders sent annually to p/p cusomters, and if so by whom (registrar or
p/pp provider).?   

  Bladel:Good question, I'll have to check that one.

  Libby Baney:Stephanie - could you share a cite to the Canada law you

  Stephanie Perrin:Sure, I will do it via email if that is ok....

  steve metalitz:Sorry for typos:  "customer" and "p/p provider" 

  Libby Baney:Thanks, that'd be great!

  Graeme Bunton:Steve - i am reasonably sure they are sent to p/p customers,
and I believe that they are sent by the registrar

  Graeme Bunton:will confirm

  Kathy Kleiman:+1 Michele

  Amr Elsadr:+1 Michele. :)

  Libby Baney:Question to Volker -- you mentioned your service finds it an
abuse of the service for use of domains for commercial purposes. May I ask,
how do you define "commercial" in this context?

  Michele Neylon:only .cat and .tel

  Michele Neylon:in gtlds

  Stephanie Perrin:@Volker...given current sentiment about global privacy,
seems like a good time to take a few cases to Court. :-)

  Michele Neylon:hinted?

  Michele Neylon:German understatement at its finest

  Amr Elsadr:Isn't there the ICANN procedure for handling whois conflict
with privacy laws? Why don't registrars use it?

  Carlton Samuels:@Michele: The ICANN response has always been the
registrant makes an agreement to publish when they buy the domain. The
question has always been informed consent and whether it is given.  Have to
say in support of what you say  we now have a better understanding of  the
relationship between data privacy law and WHOIS. 

  Michele Neylon:Amr - it's broken

  Michele Neylon:Carlton - it needs to be fixed

  Volker Greimann:The devil will skate to work before that happens

  Volker Greimann:(ICANN looking into privacy)

  Luc Seufer:This is how we are dealing that

  Luc Seufer:The Customer understands and accepts that in the case of denial
of the disclosure specified herein, the Domain Name Service cannot be
provided and that any request to delete the Personal Data after the
registration of the Domain Name will automatically entail the deletion of
the Domain Name.

  Carlton Samuels:@Michele: No question about that! And a holistic fix is
the preferred approach

  Amr Elsadr:@Michele: I hope you can explain to me why it's broken some

  Volker Greimann:I have started on the surveymonkey, but it just never

  maria farrell:hi all, sorry to be joining for the last few minutes. IETF
week in London coinciding with Too Much Work!

  Luc Seufer:same as Volker. I'll need to open a good bottle of wine and sit
down for 2 hours to complete it. ;-)

  Stephanie Perrin:@Carlton, agreed....and sorry to repeat the harangue I
have been on in the EWG, but in Canada that would be a coerced consent, and
not acceptable under 4.3.3 of the Schedule to the Act

  Michele Neylon:Amr - it's very simple, - look at the current process -
read it and if you can't see why it's broken I can explain it :)

  Amr Elsadr:OK. Thanks Michele. :)

  steve metalitz:@Kathy, what is missing from the B.1 summary?   As distinct
from B.2 where there has been a lot of  list activity re B.2.   

  Luc Seufer:@stephanie  you are welcome to register a .fr domain name
where your right to privacy will be respected.  

  Luc Seufer:until ICANN acknowledges local laws, ccTLDs are the way to go.

  Michele Neylon:She can't register a .fr or a .eu

  Michele Neylon:due to nexus requirements

  Michele Neylon:stop teasing her!

  Kathy Kleiman:My concern is much more for the next table we look at...

  Mary Wong:This template is similar to what has been used to collate,
review and respond to public comments by other WGs. We most definitely will
include ALL responses received for the WG to review again.

  Luc Seufer:I am ready to act as proxy for her !

  Terri Agnew:Maria Farrell has joined

  Stephanie Perrin:@Luc, maybe I will register the french versions of my
domains there, thanks:-)...or move to Tucows and drive Graeme nuts with

  Bladel:Need to drop, thanks everyone.

  Graeme Bunton:@Stephanie I can recommend lots of wonderful other

  Tim Ruiz:Need to go. Thanks Don an all!

  maria farrell:I support the idea of talking to cc's - they have a variety
of approaches to these things, though luckily only one set of laws to comply
with !

  Graeme Bunton:Blacknight for example would love to have your domains.

  Tim Ruiz:@Maria +1

  maria farrell:Michele yo uhave all my hosting already!

  Michele Neylon:Maria - )

  maria farrell:;-)

  Michele Neylon::)

  Volker Greimann:thank you Mary

  maria farrell:thanks everyone. talk next week. 

  Luc Seufer:@ Maria apparently you are not complaining enough

  Kiran Malancharuvil:thanks Don.  

  maria farrell:heehee luc

  maria farrell:bye all

  Justin Macy:bye

  Luc Seufer:bye

  Carlton Samuels:Bye all

  Carlton Samuels:Great discussion

  Carlton Samuels:Grist for the EWG mill

  Mary Wong:Thanks everyone.


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