[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] For WG Review - Redlined Problem Statement

[Stephanie Perrin]

Thanks so much for this reply!  Helps a lot; when one is not in this 
business, it is hard to imagine the details.

Stephanie


On 2016-08-24 21:28, Rob Golding wrote:
> On 2016-08-24 23:38, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>> I too would like to heed Chuck's advice, but have a burning question:
>> Do registries have any way of distinguishing between bots and people,
>> in their citing of stats?  If so, how?
>
> Speaking as a Registrar, we can/do, so I'd certainly expect it of 
> Registries:
> * multiple queries in a very short space of time
> * regular / consistent queries of the same domains
> * queries of large numbers of domains from the same ip
> etc
>
> Most bots are usually pretty obvious -  there are the 'clever' and 
> 'responsible' bots/bot-authors/bot-using-orgs that spread load and not 
> normally trying to "hide" who they are, so are given more latitude 
> than others
>
> Abusive levels of whois queries tend to get banned and even a handful 
> of queries from a single source can get you blocked by many registrars 
> and registries for a period
>
> It can be a pain with com/net as the only current way to get the 
> contact details (until the thick-whois project completes) as a gaining 
> registrar is via the losing registrar whois server - some dont work 
> reliably, some block you at very low levels from radar registered ips, 
> lots dont work over ipv6 etc
>
> Hit one recently who blocked you at *4 queries* in 10 minutes - a 
> problem when the registrant was moving over 20 domains !
>
> A lot of whois 'bots' aren't the right/best/appropriate way to get the 
> data they're after anyway - a case of a little knowlege being 
> dangerous - badly thought out drop-catcher type bots being one 
> category that do excessive queries on the same domains which is not 
> proper solution for what they're wanting to achieve
>
> Rob

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