[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Attendance and MP3 RDS WG - Tuesday 02 February 2016 at 16:00UTC
Farell Folly
farellfolly at gmail.com
Tue Feb 2 19:33:51 UTC 2016
Hello Terri,
Thanks for your e-mail. Is there any direct link to all the documents
presented during the meeting ?
Meilleures salutations,
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2016-02-02 20:24 GMT+01:00 Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>:
> Dear All,
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> Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3
> recording and Adobe Connect recording below for the Next-Gen RDS PDP
> Working group call held on Tuesday 02 February 2016 at 16:00 UTC.
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> MP3: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-02feb16-en.mp3
> <http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=NrFWbrBstcrPWP369qgbqlXiSKeL20xnUXzI03ZqpsvgRhF8anYZT-2Fu85DJG3jGxix2yeXksb-2F9j9kJqLZncyoFdcgTERPrpTHXy7meUkIU-3D_nEX-2FaOijqgcJlSz5SkmueJu3tRbmaDiuX89gT35tStEeSHP9whdoceObpMxYsFLQddiMZpQjIv8dk6BsBGSJXH7VWN4SGLCJgbGKCk6E-2FTErjF4OKNQt65Dk9NF54IJ9kQpmDNySj7bbNz9G4dXi5BgbCZotTx8KNfyeB0z00f8KsMfETeTNKd7vy2kKI7tttQUIwid4NAhxXgT3nZYwmv7ytICOovHIyIpp4-2F5bAzi-2BWe6K0YLhsBz7IO0npxJPuX7OInXREVX04hpslg-2BQW3UtAH29qdkQIohVt9kBu-2BCHNExFbOweFAf48oSFYCpm-2FxyuauvG-2FJ7UOT0LxOMrOAE-2B7piT6I2O2GDaiRafua8jXbdYpnY-2FNArf-2FI3v597QRQp4iEfO8qsEMmIZeQSHfOLcVxeW27RnHHBj6k9DujJ2RaVSKLfKGBoYv58Uoa6sbvVnVzb7AqVn9QFnEqb4n1ncMhQv-2Bzetj5gmKREVQ1-2FUHcuX-2Fndd3EVIWSvApiSg>
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> Adobe connect recording: *https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p10x6r7jvg6/*
> <https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p10x6r7jvg6/>
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> On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#feb
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> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO
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> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar
> <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov>
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> Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/rjJ-Ag
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> Thank you.
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> Kind regards,
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> Terri Agnew
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>
> *Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 02 February 2016*
>
>
>
> Terri Agnew:Dear all, welcome to the GNSO Next-Gen RDS PDP Working
> Group call on the 02 February 2016
>
> Terri Agnew:If you do wish to speak during the call, please either dial
> into the audio bridge and give the operator the password RDS, OR click on
> the telephone icon at the top of the AC room to activate your AC mics.
> Please remember to mute your phone and mics when not talking.
>
> Holly Raiche:@ Terri - may I please have another dial out - in
> ransferring me to the call, I got a busy signal - thanks
>
> Terri Agnew:@Holly, the op will dial out to you approx 5 minutes before
> start time.
>
> Amr Elsadr:That first one was me. :)
>
> Amr Elsadr:It sounds like there is some background noise from an unmuted
> line.
>
> Marika Konings:All, please remember to mute your microphones when not
> speaking.
>
> Aarti Bhavana:Hi All!
>
> Krishna Kumar Rajamannar:Hello Everyone! :)
>
> Sana Ali:Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening All :)h
>
> Farell FOLLY (@__f_f__):Hi all
>
> Richard Padilla:Hello one and all
>
> Ankur Raheja:Hello All
>
> karnika.seth:Hello all! karnika Seth
>
> Farell FOLLY (@__f_f__):I was about to say that something is going wrong
> on my side...
>
> Farell FOLLY (@__f_f__):Finally.. we start.. welcome to the presenter
>
> Otieno Antony:Good evening all, Antony Otieno, from Nairobi.
>
> Terri Stumme:Terri Stumme
>
> Stacie:Stacie Walsh
>
> Stacie:Sorry, just missed roll call
>
> Sana Ali:Hi Stacie, there is no roll call, as there are too many
> participants
>
> Stacie:ah thanks Sana!
>
> Sana Ali:It will be recorded, by adobe connect
>
> Krishna Kumar Rajamannar:I think it is only Audio and not Video.
>
> Aarti Bhavana:It is just audio :)
>
> Sana Ali:No problem, yes the platform asks to access camera but as far as
> i know noone can see anyone else. I hope haha
>
> Terri Agnew:Member page: https://community.icann.org/x/I4xlAw
>
> Terri Agnew:for assistance please contact gnso-secs at icann.org
>
> Norbert Komlan GLAKPE:Can a reminder be sent out to those who didn't
> complete their SOI please?
>
> Terri Agnew:@Norbert, reminders have been sent and will continue
>
> Norbert Komlan GLAKPE:Thanks
>
> Amr Elsadr:Is there a deadline to volunteer for the leadership team that
> we should be aware of?
>
> Michele Neylon:Amr - if there's a poll this week .. ..
>
> Lisa Phifer:@Amr Thursday
>
> Amr Elsadr:Thanks..., for the poll on Friday.
>
> Terri Agnew:A PDF of the RDS PDP Beginner's Tutorial is now available
> for download by clicking on this link: http://bit.ly/23GTq2l
>
> Aarti Bhavana:Bit of an echo
>
> Terri Agnew:This PDF is also available directly from the
> Background/Tutorials section of your WG wiki. Background Documents &
> Information: https://community.icann.org/x/QIxlAw
>
> Lawrence Olawale-Roberts:Good Day everyone
>
> karnika.seth:some echo again!
>
> Stephanie Perrin:apologies for being late, connection issues
>
> Ayden Férdeline:Welcome, Stephanie! We have only just begun.
>
> Aarti Bhavana:Hi Stephanie :)
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Hi Ayden, Aarti!
>
> karnika.seth:Hi Stephanie!
>
> Michele Neylon:ICANN claims to respect applicable laws
>
> Michele Neylon:it doesn't
>
> Sana Ali:@Michele whose laws are we talking?
>
> Michele Neylon:Sana - I'll let the lawyers argue over that one
>
> Luc Seufer:shall I mention that we are yet to receive a reply to our
> request (from last September) for a waiver?
>
> Sana Ali:haha any lawyer takers?
>
> karnika.seth:there is no homogenous law of the internet , does Icann
> implement jurisdction wise applicable laws then?
>
> Sana Ali:+1 to Karnika's qu
>
> Marika Konings:@Karnika - there is a procedure to address conflicts
> with local law. The implementation of that procedure is currently under
> review.
>
> karnika.seth:very well thankyou
>
> Marika Konings:Seehttps://
> www.icann.org/public-comments/iag-whois-conflicts-privacy-2015-10-05-en
>
> karnika.seth:India has not even signed a cybercrime convention yet , lot
> remains to be considered and implemented
>
> Sana Ali:what are the "applicable laws" in question that form the basis
> of this responsibilty, any links? surely conflict with local laws would
> come after the fact, if I understand correctly.
>
> Stephanie Perrin:You might also want to check the interventions of the
> data commissioners over the years, they have written to ICANN a number of
> times. Doubtless there will be a slide on this, since they are the lawful
> authorities with respect to data protection implementation.
>
> Lisa Phifer:@Sana, @Karnika - these questions are part of the set of
> questions to be answered by this PDP with respect to requirements first,
> and then poicies to meet requirements
>
> Sana Ali:@Lisa, so the earlier AOC, isn't actually a real commitment
> for the purpose of this PDP?
>
> Amr Elsadr:Although this wasn't a group developing policy, wasn't there
> also an expert working group on internationalized registration data? Is
> there a link available to the final report of that group. I can't see one
> on their wiki page:
> https://community.icann.org/display/whoisird/WHOIS+RT+IRD+WG+Home
>
> Lisa Phifer:@Sana, we can address this better perhaps during the Q&A as
> we discuss the inputs and issues to be addressed by this PDP
>
> Lisa Phifer:@Amr, the IDN FInal Report is linked to your WG wiki
>
> Sana Ali:Sure, Lisa
>
> Lisa Phifer:Sorry, IRD
>
> Amr Elsadr:Thanks Lisa. Will look there.
>
> Lisa Phifer:@Amr, will post IRD report link to the wiki - the IDN link
> is there but not IRD, sorry for confusion
>
> Amr Elsadr:Thanks. Was looking for it here:
> https://community.icann.org/display/whoisird/WHOIS+RT+IRD+WG+Home, but
> couldn't find it. :)
>
> kannan.ganapathy:HI everyone.
>
> Dick Leaning:yes they have been posted
>
> kannan.ganapathy:sorry for delay. internet issue
>
> Ayden Férdeline:Michele here is the PDF http://bit.ly/23GTq2l
>
> Terri Agnew:This PDF is also available directly from the
> Background/Tutorials section of your WG wiki. Background Documents &
> Information: https://community.icann.org/x/QIxlAw
>
> Michele Neylon:For the record Lisa worked her ass off on the EWG
>
> Marika Konings:@Sana - in relation to your previous question, I know
> that the CCWG-Accountability is considering how to integrate the WHOIS
> Review into the ICANN Bylaws as some concerns have been expressed that the
> way it is currently written may not accomodate current and future
> developments in relation to WHOIS.
>
> Sana Ali:Thanks for clarifying that, Marika.
>
> karnika seth:The Gated access concept is similar to the CCTNS system
> proposed to be launched in India - A centralised system of accessing crime
> record vis a vis connecting different police stations, and other
> stakeholders.
>
> Carlton Samuels:Howdty All
>
> Richard Padilla:Hey Carlton
>
> Carlton Samuels:Sir Richard, sir!
>
> Farell FOLLY (@__f_f__):(sorry if issue has already been solved)... may
> I suggest to categorize the 180 principles and build a checklist within
> each category and use it when verifying compliance or interoperability ?
>
> Ankur Raheja:Nice suggestion
>
> Sana Ali:Discussions of introducing a gated system, are directly in
> conflict with the AOC, so what is the role of that AOC vis a vis how we are
> proceeding now?
>
> Marika Konings:@Farell - I suspect that those suggestions will be
> considered as part of the development of the WG's work plan, and of course,
> staff can assist as needed.
>
> Farell FOLLY (@__f_f__):ok @marika
>
> Farell FOLLY (@__f_f__):thanks
>
> Marika Konings:@Sana - I'm not sure whether it is in conflict, but in
> any case, it is the expectation that the AoC will be integrated into the
> ICANN Bylaws as part of the CCWG-Accountability activities which may
> address the concern you have expressed?
>
> Alex Deacon:BTW many thanks to the staff for putting together this very
> helpful overview document!
>
> Amr Elsadr:Some are not so crazy about incorporating the AoC into the
> bylaws, in part, because of the WHOIS requirements in them. They are
> outdated.
>
> Sana Ali:"Through the Affirmation of Commitments (AOC), ICANN
> iscommitted to “enforcing its existing policy relating to WHOIS,subject to
> applicable laws. Such existing policy requires thatICANN implement measures
> to maintain timely, unrestricted &public access to accurate & complete
> WHOIS information,including registrant, technical, billing, &
> administrative contactinformation."
>
> Sana Ali:Outdated indeed!
>
> karnika seth:one of the biggest challenges in WHO is is verification of
> data. Most websites are registered without checking identity and contact
> details of subscriber. This is a major challenge in cybercrime cases as
> legal summons cannot be served as data in Who is is fake or inaccurate
>
> Sana Ali:Thank you !
>
> Sana Ali:Super helpful, and a good start, I imagine a lot of reading
> will have to follow
>
> Amr Elsadr:@Karnika: I may be mistaken, and maybe one of the registrar
> folks can correct me on this, but verification of identity is not a
> requirement..., but rather verification of contact information.
>
> Lisa Phifer:@Amr - you are correct
>
> Greg Mounier 2:@Karnika: this is indeed one of the major problem faced
> by cyber investigators.
>
> Carlton Samuels:@Amr: Right!
>
> karnika seth:perhaps this PDP can consider its inclusion as a basic
> purpose and requirement of WHo Is , I meant that
>
> Michele Neylon:ID verification is NOT something that private companies
> aree going to do
>
> Amr Elsadr:@Karnika: I hope not. ;-)
>
> Jim Galvin:@seth - your statement implies certain validation
> requirements. SAC058 provides a taxonomy of validation/verification. Not
> all of it is challenging. It is important to agree on what problem we are
> trying to solve before calling it challenging.
>
> Michele Neylon:if you want it - legislate for it
>
> Michele Neylon:if you don't legislate for it kindly get lost
>
> Luc Seufer:@ amr yes exactly. It would be illegal in certain countries
> like Germany
>
> Liz Williams:@Marika...excellent work on the presentation. It would be
> good to append this again to the agenda for the next meeting so those that
> may have missed it can review it.
>
> karnika seth:In number of cases, court summonjs are not served as
> details of subscriber is inaccurate and often false
>
> Carlton Samuels:@Liz: +1
>
> Lisa Phifer:@Jim Galvin, SAC058 is a great resource - the EWG used it
> and I will ensure it is added to the Wiki if not there already
>
> Nick Shorey - UK Gov:@Michele isn't KYC good business practice?
>
> Michele Neylon:Nick - that's not whois though
>
> Susan Prosser:@Karnika, another challenge is website content is not
> always domain owner
>
> Michele Neylon:Nick - I have way more info about my customers than would
> ever appear in a whois record
>
> Carlton Samuels:I would ask that the Phases and questions the WG is
> expected to answer be placed front and centre here forward for every
> publication
>
> Chuck Gomes (RySG):Nice job Marika, Lisa & Steve
>
> Michele Neylon:don't conflate the two :)
>
> Lisa Phifer:@Chuck thank you
>
> Farell FOLLY (@__f_f__):great presentation
>
> Ankur Raheja:Domain Registrars should be required to demand ID proof for
> verification of WHOIS information of Domain Registrants, if WHOIS accuracy
> is to be assured !
>
> Aarti Bhavana:Thank you for a great presentation!
>
> Farell FOLLY (@__f_f__):thanks the staff
>
> Nick Shorey - UK Gov:@Michele - Noted. Thank you for that perspective.
>
> Beth Allegretti:Thanks! Great presentation.
>
> Chris Hagstrom:Thank you
>
> Ankur Raheja:Thanks for the presentation !
>
> Richard Padilla:Bye all brilliant presentation understand much better now
>
> Sana Ali:Thank you, all!
>
> Vlad Dinculescu:Thank you all for the presentation.
>
> Massimiliano Stucchi:Bye!
>
> David Cake:Yes, thank you Lisa. And thank you all.
>
> Susan Prosser:thanks all
>
> kannan.ganapathy:thanks
>
> Lucas Moura:Thank you, and see you next week
>
> Norbert Komlan GLAKPE:Thanks much
>
> Dick Leaning:Thank you
>
> karnika seth:thankyou Marika ! thankyou all!
>
> Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.
>
> Greg Mounier 2:thanks
>
> Carlton Samuels:Bye all
>
> Ron Sherwood:Thank you, bye until the 9th
>
> Bram Fudzulani (Malawi):Bye guys
>
> Jim Galvin:bye all, thanks!
>
> Chris Dillon:The good presentation saved the time!
>
> Alex Deacon:thanks.
>
> Krishna Kumar Rajamannar:Thank You! :)
>
> Otieno Antony:Good work Lisa, Marika, Steve, Terry and Team. Good night.
>
> Iliya Bazlyankov:Thank you and good bye!
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