[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] On some security claims (was Re: Apologies, and some reflections on requirements)

[James Gannon]

I suggest you briefly use Google before saying that Andrew needs to learn how the internet works.

For the record I agree with all of andrews points in their entirety.


-JG

On 04/07/2016, 17:14, "gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf of Group CEO-Vaibhav Aggarwal" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf of va at bladebrains.com> wrote:

>Andrew,
>
>Points u have written are baseless and display ur uneasiness of learning about "How Internet works"
>
>I won't present a retort here which is targeted to a specific individual and not try to waste anyone's time in reading. 
>But if u are a internet conneseiur, then u wud never write a baseless argument over a suggestion. So I request back off and stick to the agenda. 
>
>Lets keep the nice nodes open to data exchange and not block the speed by writing baselessly. 
>
>Best regards,
>-VA
>
>Sent from my mobile device. Typos regretted.
>
>> On Jul 4, 2016, at 9:30 PM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs at anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Responding to two messages at once.  I think there are some technical
>> misconceptions in the messages from Catalyst-Vaibhav Aggarwal.  We
>> won't get anywhere if we proceed by believing false things about how
>> the Internet works.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 04, 2016 at 03:19:53PM +0530, Catalyst-Vaibhav Aggarwal wrote:
>>> 
>>> And any such suggestion can easily be implemented with the Automation of
>>> the entire Verification process. For Eg. Gmail has a two Step
>>> Authentication - One on the Password and the other on the Phone Number of
>>> the User.
>> 
>> Actually, no.  What Google two-step authentication does is bind a
>> login to both a password and some other communication factor.  It does
>> not actually tell you who is at the other end, and can't.  There is a
>> serious and important difference for our purposes between
>> authenticating that the same indvidual is undertaking two different
>> actions, and identifying who that individual is when (e.g.) wandering
>> around in the street.
>> 
>>> This is a issue regaining the safety of me, my family
>> 
>> Can you say more about how you think registration of domain names in
>> the global DNS could (even a little bit) affect the safety of you or
>> your family?  In particular,
>> 
>>> or anybody will be willing to compromise. And the Lives being lost and the
>> 
>> could you say some more about how you think anyone's life hangs in the
>> balance due to registration of domain names?
>> 
>> Also,
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 04, 2016 at 04:28:29PM +0530, Catalyst-Vaibhav Aggarwal wrote:
>>> 
>>> As far as Security for the Email Addresses is concerned, every email server
>>> has a built in SMTP verification mechanism that either can be switched on or
>>> Off as per the need may be -  Most servers or Service providers don’t switch
>>> it on as there is a cost added to their overall Network Management or
>>> Infrastructure. BUT Gmail has implemented it. That is why we are able to see
>>> Classification of Mails in our mail boxes.
>> 
>> I would appreciate a pointer to the documentation of this SMTP
>> verification mechanism of which you speak.  I'm reasonably familiar
>> with the SMTP specifications, and I'm not really sure what feature
>> you're talking about.  If you mean the SMTP VRFY verb, I don't think
>> it does what you think it does, and it has been widely regarded as a
>> spam-promoting feature since at least 1999.  It is certainly not the
>> basis for Google's classification of your email, which (depending on
>> how you use it) depends on them reading either your headers or your
>> mail bodies to classify it for you.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> A
>> 
>> -- 
>> Andrew Sullivan
>> ajs at anvilwalrusden.com
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