[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] possible requirements from GAC / law enforcement recommended documents

Fri Jul 15 09:35:22 UTC 2016

Ad hominem again? Nice! <personal comment redacted>

Not every error in a comment on a document that was first circulated 
over 6 years ago needs to be intentional and/or malicious. <personal 
comment redacted>

https://st.icann.org/raa-related/index.cgi/LawEnforcementRAArecommendations%20(2).doc?action=attachments_download;page_name=05_january_2010;id=20091118185109-0-21002

asked for

/3) All Accredited Registrars must submit to ICANN accurate and 
verifiable contact details of their main operational and physical office 
location, including country, phone number (with international prefix), 
street address, city, and region, to be publicly disclosed in ICANN web 
directory. Address must also be posted clearly on the Registrar's main 
website. Post Office boxes, incorporation addresses, mail-drop, and 
mail-forwarding locations will not be acceptable. In addition, Registrar 
must submit URL and location of Port 43 WHOIS server. /

/4) Registrars must publicly display of the name of CEO, President, 
and/or other responsible officer(s)./

So indeed, the home address of officers was never part of the discussion, but that was likely a simple mistake, not a "ridiculous attempt to smear and discredit". If anything, it is your comment that is exactly what you accuse Rob of.

But now it comes, as they further asked for:

     1.

        /ICANN to conduct enhanced due diligence on all Registrars and
        Registries (including but not limited to owners, officers, board
        of directors) ICANN accredits, or has accredited, to include,
        but not limited to: ///

        //

////

  *

    /criminal checks; /

  *

    /credit checks; /

  *

    /financial history and solvency; /

  *

    /corporate/company structure and ownership. /

//

(LE - Recommendations.doc - sent by Bobby Flaim on Jan 01 2011)

I think asking for data on the financial history and solvency of officers and others is ridiculous.

Best,

Volker

Am 14.07.2016 um 18:49 schrieb Kiran Malancharuvil via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:
> Correct Terri. Ridiculous attempt to smear and discredit.
>
> Contactable information does not require home details, and no one has ever claimed otherwise.
>
> Kiran Malancharuvil
> Policy Counselor
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> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>
> On Jul 14, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Terri Stumme <terri.stumme at legitscript.com<mailto:terri.stumme at legitscript.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Law enforcement never requested "personal details, home address etc of senior STAFF of a Registrar listed on a website." Law enforcement requested only that the names of the executives be posted on the registrar's website, and that contact information for the registrar; i.e., company address and telephone number, not the home address of senior staff.
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 1:35 AM, Rob Golding <rob.golding at astutium.com<mailto:rob.golding at astutium.com>> wrote:
> On 2016-07-14 08:58, Catalyst-Vaibhav Aggarwal wrote:
> So now v agree to say that GAC / Law enforcement is over reaching
> and suggestions, pants made are baseless and have no argument.
>
> You appear to turn many ideas / comments you don't understand into some sort of personal attack.
>
> Perhaps if you had
> * read the document
> * understood the document
> * attended any of the multiple Registrar&LEA meetings where some of their wants (most of which they never expected to get and many of which they couldn't provide any reason for asking for)
> you wouldn't be jumping so quickly to these weird conclusions.
>
> YET we come back to the table and talk of Privacy and other related
> factors. How can it be ?
>
> One (of many) examples ..
>
> LEAs wanted the personal details, home address etc of senior STAFF of a Registrar listed on a website.
>
> Not simply provided (as is law in most locales) to the company regulating authority in that region - most of whom DO NOT make that information public without a warrant for very valid reasons
>
> Not even just submitted to ICANN (as indeed much information about the management of a registrar already is) for them to know / leak
>
> But published for anyone and everyone on the registration website
>
> If someone LEA or otherwise wants to to talk to my Registrar, they can do so at the office (by appointment) or by phone or by email or through the ticket system or any number of other *appropriate* and *documented* methods - they DO NOT need to know about and turn up at my HOME address
>
> Rob
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