[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] The overflowing list (was Re: A new and rather important document with respect to jurisdiction issues)

Fri Jul 15 14:45:03 UTC 2016

I agree with Volker on this one -- there should be no cut-off date.  More
generally, we should stick with the working methods we've agreed to, rather
than (repeatedly) re-opening them for discussion, except under truly
exceptional circumstances.  That

In response to Holly, the reason we are distilling and extracting
information from these resources is intended to deal with the fact that no
one will read every word of every document.  I would also resist the urge
to focus largely on comments. They are certainly important, but the
resource-gathering mission is intended to broaden our horizons beyond the
somewhat self-contained world of commenters.  Finally, I would say that it
is highly conclusory, premature and just plain wrong to flatly claim "that
the current uses of the data will not be permitted under data protection
law,"  Even laws against murder have exceptions....  I'll adhere to my own
admonition to stick to our working methods and save further discussion on
that point for the appropriate phase of our work.

Greg

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>
wrote:

> I think we all agreed earlier that there would not be a cut-off line for
> new documents. Especially with a long PDP such as this one, we can expect
> things in the real world to change, and we should take note of such changes
> in our work to ensure we remain current.
>
> Best,
>
> Volker
>
>
>
> Am 15.07.2016 um 14:42 schrieb h.raiche at internode.on.net:
>
> A really big plus one for Andrew.
>
> I share concerns wth those who question whether the place to start is with
> uses.  It implicitly assumes that all of the current 'uses' of the
> information should continue.  General data protection law strongly suggests
> otherwise.
>
> However, we are starting with uses - and as long as everyone realises that
> the current uses of the data will not be permitted under data protection
> law, then let's proceed.  And yes, we will come down to Andrew's
> fundamental question - what personal information that is collection should
> be accessible to all - OR NOT.  And, in the end, I am not sure how much
> more information we need.  From my perspective, I know I will not have time
> to read all of what is on the list already, let alone new stuff.  So  maybe
> let's focus on the information identified in public comment as the critical
> information for this issue and start talking about uses - what of the uses
> should be maintained, and what - for strong data protection reasons -
> should not.
>
> Holly
>
>
>
>
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> [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] The overflowing list (was Re: A new and rather important
> document with respect to jurisdiction issues)
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>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 11:32:13PM -0400, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
> > May I suggest that we add it to our already overflowing list of important
> > documents?
>
> I don't object, but I'm wondering whether there is really anything new
> in most of the additional documents people are bringing.
>
> It seems to me that we have a fundamental question we're going to have
> to answer. I know that we've decided that now is not the time for
> deliberation, so I don't encourage discussion about this question.
> But I'm decreasingly convinced that more material is going to help us
> come to any decision about balancing the desire of some, on one side,
> to have a lot of personally identifying information about domain name
> registrants; and the desire of others to ensure that such personally
> identifying information is protected on privacy grounds.
>
> We can probably continue to find additional examples of people
> insisting they need one or the other of these, but I do not really see
> any way that more evidence that someone really really wants one of
> them (with all the attendant arguments rehearsed) is going to help us
> come to a conclusion.
>
> Best regards,
>
> A
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