[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] OT Re: An important technical consideration about nature of the service (was Re: The overflowing list )

Mon Jul 25 11:03:30 UTC 2016

Hi Maxim,
I agree that these are factors we need to consider. I think there's a fourth
dimension, too: the location of the servers that store the data in question,
which may well be in yet another jurisdiction.
Best wishes,
Ayden

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 11:40 AM, Maxim Alzoba m.alzoba at gmail.com wrote:
To extend this idea,

I think we face situation where

A - the party which inserted data into the system (Registrar?)

B - the party who’s data is in the system (Registrant, Reseller?)

C - the party, which requests data of A or B (3rd party from the street,
Registrar, Registry, LEA?, ICANN?, URS or UDRP operator, Data Escrow Operator …
)

And the situation might be highly dependent on from which jurisdictions parties
are (not all combinations are easy … when A and B and C(LEA) are from the same

jurisdiction -> simple … other cases might not be so simple … A,B,C from
different jurisdictions - might be the worst cases )

Privacy issues do not rise in cases where B is a legal body (and not protected
by the Privacy Laws, due to info being accessible from the public sources).

And large chunk of data might not be affected by Privacy laws restrictions (it
could be up to 80-90%)

Does it mean we have to suggest different processing of the information of
Organizations?

All of these might lead to creation of the 3 dimensional matrix of
yes/no/other_process_for_this_combination.

(but it is implementation and we need to take care about it later …

but for around 200 countries it gives 8m items even for 3 grids … which is not
human manageable)

The other question - should we create negative scenario list (most often used in
bad faith)?

P.s: to make things worse - URS/UDRP providers are legal bodies from a
particular countries too …

Sincerely Yours,

Maxim Alzoba

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> On Jul 25, 2016, at 11:35, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:

>

> Correct, but remember there may be cross border implications:

>

> For example, EU data protection laws expect foreign companies to abide by the
protections granted to European data subjects.

>

> For example, German consumer protection agencies are threatening to sue
Niantic over the data accumulation and location tracking performed by Pokemon
Go. Even though Niantic is not a european company, it deals in data of European
data subjects, so under EU law, EU law applies to how Niantic can treat EU
citizens' data.

>

> Similarly, US registrars and registries could be subject of enforcement if
they violated data privacy rights of their EU customers. So essentially,
compliance may not be limited to your home country law even though it is your
main concern.

>

> Best,

>

> Volker

>

>

> Am 22.07.2016 um 14:22 schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:

>> We have to comply with Irish law.

>>

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>> From: <isolatedn at gmail.com> on behalf of Sivasubramanian M
<6.Internet at gmail.com>

>> Date: Friday 22 July 2016 at 13:21

>> To: Michele Neylon <michele at blacknight.com>

>> Cc: Sam Lanfranco <sam at lanfranco.net>, Chuck Gomes <cgomes at verisign.com>,
Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>, "gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org"
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>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] OT Re: An important technical consideration
about nature of the service (was Re: The overflowing list )

>>

>>

>>

>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
<michele at blacknight.com> wrote:

>> Sam

>> >> But I will suggest that in parallel ICANN as an organization, the ICANN
multistakeholder community and stakeholders beyond ICANN, have to develop
strategies for engagement with ongoing >>efforts outside ICANN around how to
authenticate law enforcement data requests.

>> Sorry, but what has this got to with the WG?

>> Also, ICANN does not hold registration data, so I can’t understand why ICANN
developing anything in this realm would be of any benefit.

>>

>> As an Irish company we will deal with Irish law enforcement. Overseas LEA can
liaise with their Irish counterparts and comply with Irish law if they want to
submit any data requests.

>>

>> What happens when you the Irish company stores data of overseas Registrants,
and when Irish Law permits release of all data stored to LEA, which contravenes
the law of other countries whose Registrant data happens to be Ireland?

>>

>> Sivasubramanian M 

>>

>>

>>

>> Regards

>>

>> Michele

>>

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