[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] OT Re: An important technical consideration about nature of the service (was Re: The overflowing list )

Maxim Alzoba m.alzoba at gmail.com
Mon Jul 25 10:40:52 UTC 2016 

To extend this idea, 

I think we face situation where 

A - the party which inserted data into the system (Registrar?)
B - the party who’s data is in the system (Registrant, Reseller?)
C - the party, which requests data of A or B (3rd party from the street, Registrar, Registry, LEA?, ICANN?, URS or UDRP operator, Data Escrow Operator  … )

And the situation might be highly dependent on from which jurisdictions parties are (not all combinations are easy … when A and B and C(LEA) are from the same 
jurisdiction -> simple …  other cases might not be so simple … A,B,C from different jurisdictions - might be the worst cases )

Privacy issues do not rise in cases where B is a legal body (and not protected by the Privacy Laws, due to info being accessible from the public sources).
And large chunk of data might not be affected by Privacy laws restrictions (it could be up to 80-90%)

Does it mean we have to suggest different processing of the information of Organizations? 

All of these might lead to creation of the 3 dimensional matrix of yes/no/other_process_for_this_combination. 
(but it is implementation and we need to take care about it later …
 but for around 200 countries it gives 8m items even for 3 grids … which is not human manageable)

The other question - should we create negative scenario list (most often used in bad faith)?

P.s: to make things worse - URS/UDRP providers are legal bodies from a particular countries too … 

Sincerely Yours,

Maxim Alzoba
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> On Jul 25, 2016, at 11:35, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:
> 
> Correct, but remember there may be cross border implications:
> 
> For example, EU data protection laws expect foreign companies to abide by the protections granted to European data subjects.
> 
> For example, German consumer protection agencies are threatening to sue Niantic over the data accumulation and location tracking performed by Pokemon Go. Even though Niantic is not a european company, it deals in data of European data subjects, so under EU law, EU law applies to how Niantic can treat EU citizens' data. 
> 
> Similarly, US registrars and registries could be subject of enforcement if they violated data privacy rights of their EU customers. So essentially, compliance may not be limited to your home country law even though it is your main concern. 
> 
> Best,
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> Volker
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> Am 22.07.2016 um 14:22 schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:
>> We have to comply with Irish law.
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>> From: <isolatedn at gmail.com> on behalf of Sivasubramanian M <6.Internet at gmail.com>
>> Date: Friday 22 July 2016 at 13:21
>> To: Michele Neylon <michele at blacknight.com>
>> Cc: Sam Lanfranco <sam at lanfranco.net>, Chuck Gomes <cgomes at verisign.com>, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>, "gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] OT Re: An important technical consideration about nature of the service (was Re: The overflowing list )
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>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
>> Sam
>> >> But I will suggest that in parallel ICANN as an organization, the ICANN multistakeholder community and stakeholders beyond ICANN, have to develop strategies for engagement with ongoing >>efforts outside ICANN around how to authenticate law enforcement data requests. 
>> Sorry, but what has this got to with the WG?
>> Also, ICANN does not hold registration data, so I can’t understand why ICANN developing anything in this realm would be of any benefit.
>>  
>> As an Irish company we will deal with Irish law enforcement. Overseas LEA can liaise with their Irish counterparts and comply with Irish law if they want to submit any data requests.
>>  
>> ​What happens when you the Irish company stores data of overseas Registrants, and when Irish Law permits release of all data stored to LEA, which contravenes the law of other countries whose Registrant data happens to be Ireland?
>>  
>> Sivasubramanian M ​
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>>  
>> Regards
>>  
>> Michele
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