[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case

Tue Jul 26 23:04:32 UTC 2016

Hi Volker,

I think it is important to note that industries do in fact exist that have set up abuse collaboration frameworks (of varying types) which do not require court orders in order to enable access.

Alex

On Jul 25, 2016, at 6:16 AM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:

I tend to agree. But OTOH, merely outlining a use case, whether currently existing or edesirable does not mean that this use case can or should be accomodated down the road.  In other industries, the same actors want access to the same sets of data, yet it is not publicly available and requires them to obtain a court order to access. We may want to analyse at some point down the road, why that is the case and whether this may be the better template for us to follow.

Best,

Volker

Am 25.07.2016 um 15:10 schrieb Kathy Kleiman:

@Marika, with absolute respect, I need to share that no company develops a directory of secondary uses of personal and sensitive data based on all the ways people want to use it. The discussion is always, first and foremost, about how you have to Limit the Availability of personal and sensitive data for secondary uses consistent with national law (of the company) and the national laws of the citizens (whose data is being collected).

No one does it this way, guys.

Kathy

On 7/25/2016 5:08 AM, Marika Konings wrote:
Ayen, I think you may be misinterpreting what Lisa stated. Note that she said ‘we are starting with use cases to develop a shared understanding of today's real-world scenarios. It's very useful to flag problems that may need to be solved, possible improvements, etc, within use cases.’ which could include something like user wants X to be able to do Y, but for reasons A and B this is not possible under the existing WHOIS protocol. Rod’s email sheds some further light on how use cases where approached in the context of the EWG that might be helpful.

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Date: Monday 25 July 2016 at 10:58
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Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case

I share Lisa's interpretation of this task. At this stage of our work plan, we should only be looking at how the existing WHOIS protocol is being used or misused.

- Ayden

On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 8:27 PM, Lisa Phifer lisa at corecom.com<mailto:lisa at corecom.com> wrote:
Hi Andrew,

My answer was not intended to limit how use cases are used by the WG throughout this PDP. It was just to clarify the focus of the current action item seeking example use cases for discussion over the next couple of WG calls.

While we are still prepping for deliberations, my understanding was that we are starting with use cases to develop a shared understanding of today's real-world scenarios.

It's very useful to flag problems that may need to be solved, possible improvements, etc, within use cases. However, deliberating on any new possible requirements suggested within an example use case should occur once we enter deliberation.

Best, Lisa

At 01:09 PM 7/24/2016, Andrew Sullivan wrote:

Why?  If that's the rule, then there's no point: we're doomed forever to the stupidity of Whois.

A

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On Jul 24, 2016, at 14:55, Lisa Phifer <lisa at corecom.com<mailto:lisa at corecom.com>> wrote:

Good question - use cases should describe today's real-world scenarios.

At 11:57 AM 7/24/2016, Stephanie Perrin wrote:

Just as a question, when we do use cases are we supposed to put in hypotheticals or talk about them as they are now?Ã‚  Eg tiered access does not exist at the moment, do we imagine our use cases as we would like to see them?Ã‚  Sorry not to have been paying close enough attention to this.

Stephanie Perrin

On 2016-07-24 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

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Thanks for the example.
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In order to make it easier to process use cases IÃ¢€™d rd recommend you break them out as specifically as possible.
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So defamation would be quite different to identity theft.
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