[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case

Volker Greimann vgreimann at key-systems.net
Thu Jul 28 08:42:38 UTC 2016


Hi Alex,

I have no doubt about that. If such existing frameworks could be 
expanded to domain name registration details as well, would that remove 
the need for them to be published publicly?

Volker


Am 27.07.2016 um 01:04 schrieb Deacon, Alex:
> Hi Volker,
>
> I think it is important to note that industries do in fact exist that 
> have set up abuse collaboration frameworks (of varying types) which do 
> not require court orders in order to enable access.
>
> Alex
>
>
>> On Jul 25, 2016, at 6:16 AM, Volker Greimann 
>> <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
>>
>> I tend to agree. But OTOH, merely outlining a use case, whether 
>> currently existing or edesirable does not mean that this use case can 
>> or should be accomodated down the road.  In other industries, the 
>> same actors want access to the same sets of data, yet it is not 
>> publicly available and requires them to obtain a court order to 
>> access. We may want to analyse at some point down the road, why that 
>> is the case and whether this may be the better template for us to follow.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Volker
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 25.07.2016 um 15:10 schrieb Kathy Kleiman:
>>>
>>> @Marika, with absolute respect, I need to share that no company 
>>> develops a directory of secondary uses of personal and sensitive 
>>> data based on all the ways people want to use it. The discussion is 
>>> always, first and foremost, about how you have to Limit the 
>>> Availability of personal and sensitive data for secondary uses 
>>> consistent with national law (of the company) and the national laws 
>>> of the citizens (whose data is being collected).
>>>
>>> No one does it this way, guys.
>>>
>>> Kathy
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/25/2016 5:08 AM, Marika Konings wrote:
>>>> Ayen, I think you may be misinterpreting what Lisa stated. Note 
>>>> that she said ‘we are starting with use cases to develop a shared 
>>>> understanding of today's real-world scenarios. It's very useful to 
>>>> flag problems that may need to be solved, possible improvements, 
>>>> etc, within use cases.’ which could include something like user 
>>>> wants X to be able to do Y, but for reasons A and B this is not 
>>>> possible under the existing WHOIS protocol. Rod’s email sheds some 
>>>> further light on how use cases where approached in the context of 
>>>> the EWG that might be helpful.
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Marika
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>>>> *From:*<gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>on behalf of Ayden 
>>>> Férdeline<icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>> *Date:*Monday 25 July 2016 at 10:58
>>>> *To:*Lisa Phifer<lisa at corecom.com>
>>>> *Cc:*"gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org"<gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>> *Subject:*Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case
>>>> I share Lisa's interpretation of this task. At this stage of our 
>>>> work plan, we should only be looking at how the existing WHOIS 
>>>> protocol is being used or misused.
>>>> - Ayden
>>>> On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 8:27 PM, Lisa Phiferlisa at corecom.com 
>>>> <mailto:lisa at corecom.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Andrew,
>>>>
>>>>     My answer was not intended to limit how use cases are used by
>>>>     the WG throughout this PDP. It was just to clarify the focus of
>>>>     the current action item seeking example use cases for
>>>>     discussion over the next couple of WG calls.
>>>>
>>>>     While we are still prepping for deliberations, my understanding
>>>>     was that we are starting with use cases to develop a shared
>>>>     understanding of today's real-world scenarios.
>>>>
>>>>     It's very useful to flag problems that may need to be solved,
>>>>     possible improvements, etc, within use cases.
>>>>     However,/deliberating on/any new possible requirements
>>>>     suggested within an example use case should occur once we enter
>>>>     deliberation.
>>>>
>>>>     Best, Lisa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     At 01:09 PM 7/24/2016, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Why? If that's the rule, then there's no point: we're
>>>>         doomed forever to the stupidity of Whois.
>>>>
>>>>         A
>>>>
>>>>         --
>>>>         Andrew Sullivan
>>>>         Please excuse my clumbsy thums.
>>>>
>>>>         On Jul 24, 2016, at 14:55, Lisa Phifer <lisa at corecom.com
>>>>         <mailto:lisa at corecom.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Good question - use cases should describe today's
>>>>             real-world scenarios.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             At 11:57 AM 7/24/2016, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 Just as a question, when we do use cases are we
>>>>                 supposed to put in hypotheticals or talk about them
>>>>                 as they are now?  Eg tiered access does not exist
>>>>                 at the moment, do we imagine our use cases as we
>>>>                 would like to see them?  Sorry not to have been
>>>>                 paying close enough attention to this.
>>>>
>>>>                 Stephanie Perrin
>>>>
>>>>                 On 2016-07-24 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                     Karnika
>>>>                     Â
>>>>                     Thanks for the example.
>>>>                     Â
>>>>                     In order to make it easier to process use cases
>>>>                     I̢۪d rd recommend you break them out as
>>>>                     specifically as possible.
>>>>                     Â
>>>>                     So defamation would be quite different to
>>>>                     identity theft.
>>>>                     Â
>>>>                     Regards
>>>>                     Â
>>>>                     Michele
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>>>>                     --
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>>>>                     behalf of karnika<karnika at sethassociates.com>
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>>>>                     *Date:*Saturday 23 July 2016 at 01:51
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>>>>                     *Subject:*[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Example Use case
>>>>                     Â
>>>>                     Dear All,
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>>>>                     I have prepared an Example Use case which is
>>>>                     attached herewith. Please feel free to comment
>>>>                     and give your inputs so that we can discuss it
>>>>                     in our future meetings.
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