[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] The States are Getting into the Act
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Thu Jun 23 01:30:10 UTC 2016
While I was on the call last night, I must say I was surprised at the
amount of traffic that followed. Forgive me for consolidating a few
thoughts into one email rather than send 5 replies.
1. I support Ayden on his response below (even if it was mistaken in
his response to Kiran), the important thing is that we all listen to
each other. I don't think it hurts to tell people where you stand,
although I certainly do agree with Kiran that we are getting off track.
(and I am about to add to it....)
2. I think Steve M raised a very important point, we are confusing or
perhaps conflating international law with treaties and less formal
requirements that have been rendered in national law. Greg clarified the
matter helpfully. (usual caveat applies here, I am not a lawyer). We
need to be clear about this, particularly as we are citing a myriad of
documents which have very different legal status, at least under the
category of "privacy".
3. With respect to the matter of the authentication of individuals in
order for them to obtain a domain name, this is a matter we will have to
deal with later. As far as I know, a nation state (or a province for
that matter, if it has jurisdiction over trade and commerce, or if the
regulatory authority considers this to be telecom and imposes its
authority) can ask for what it likes. (biometric, social security or
national identity number, etc). I don't see how ICANN can stop this, it
will always have to provide for exceptions to the policy. That does not
mean we have to match the policy to the highest or lowest level of
authentication. First we might want to think about what is in the
"public interest". In this respect, I believe Sam Lanfranco and I agree.
Given the current rates of data breach and id theft, I would think it
remarkably imprudent to force registrars to collect all this
information. There would have to be a very good reason, and I don't
think the nexus between harm and registration of a domain name has been
proven. Registration data must be one of the colder trails in the
investigative process, if one is either investigating terrorism or
criminal behaviour. Once again, I am not a lawyer, but do we (and the
registrars) not have some kind of fiduciary duty to protect the end
user? Exposing the individual to that kind of risk is in my view
unacceptable.
4. I agree totally with Volker that ICANN should not be in the business
of regulating content, regardless of how much other actors might like a
not-for-profit corporation to amass a pile of data that has proven
difficult to access through country to country MLATS, and to make it
available with minimum restrictions. ("I also take issue with the
continuous attempts to attempt to regulate content and abusive use of
the internet through domain names." VG)
5. I apologize to Kathy for not voicing the same concern she raises to
the meeting last night. I think she is quite correct. It is perfectly
fair that North Americans should suffer one middle of the night call,
when our colleagues in east Asia and Australia have to put up with them
all the time, but it is not normal to try and produce a summary like
this the week before a meeting when we are all (or at least many of us)
travelling. (and kudos to Lisa and Susan for trying, but we all want to
follow this effort closely). I would recommend that we not attempt to
deal with this at the public face to face. For those of us who prefer
to print our documents when checking them, it places a massive burden on
what to bring to Helsinki.
6. Chuck has asked us to refrain from continuing the exchanges which
were getting heated and off topic. I would certainly like to conform to
the request of the Chair, but if I may raise a fundamental point: It is
not the case that privacy advocates either know nothing about national
security, or don't care. A great many privacy advocates have worked on
law enforcement and national security issues extensively, or studied and
taught them, and are as passionate about protecting the rights of
citizens to be safe from criminal harm, as from the abrogation of their
human rights of privacy. I will leave it there.
Kind regards.
Stephanie Perrin
On 2016-06-22 12:45, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
> Hi Kiran,
>
> Thanks for your comments. I hope that in this working group we will
> take care to ensure all voices are heard. It is possible, as we move
> forward, that there may be one or two holdouts who refuse to agree to
> with the arguments that others raise. I believe that is how you have
> sought to characterise me. I would hope that where our perspectives
> differ, my views can be seen not seen as a roadblock but as a form of
> dissidence which prevents us from falling into the dangerous trap of
> collective blindness. Maybe I will be right, maybe I will be wrong.
> Both are possible outcomes.
>
> I tend not to be swayed by those who simply say I am wrong, but I do
> listen to evidence and if opposing opinions are put forward outlining
> why I am mistaken, I absolutely take these comments onboard. So of
> course we will be able to “have confidence in the process” that the
> Leadership team for this working group has proposed, because consensus
> is not when everyone in the group is simply in agreement with
> something, consensus is when we reach a result that is fed with inputs
> from everyone. Like you, I plan on listening to and respecting the
> inputs of others, and I remain open-minded to the final outcome. But
> it wouldn't be useful for me or for anyone else to simply hide in the
> corner quietly disagreeing.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 5:06 PM, Kiran Malancharuvil
> Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com
> <mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com> wrote:
>
> I think these comments which aim to characterize (or
> mischaracterize) the potential outcomes of the PDP to be wildly
> inappropriate at this stage of the process.
>
>
> Can someone get us back on track here? Will we be able to have
> confidence in the process if we know there are members of the
> group that aim to deliver on their staunchly held beliefs without
> a willingness to compromise?
>
>
> Kiran Malancharuvil
>
> Policy Counselor
>
> MarkMonitor
>
> 415-419-9138 (m)
>
>
> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Ayden Férdeline
> <icann at ferdeline.com<mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Very well said, Volker. I support your comments in their entirety.
>
>
> There are two roads we can take in this working group: one will
> lead us to an open, trusted Internet along with all the economic
> and social benefits that would bring. The other road takes us to a
> place where users are fearful of the Internet and where the
> benefits for commerce begin to stagnate. I would hope we all want
> to contribute to a global digital economy where trust in the
> Internet as a safe and secure place to communicate and to do
> business can thrive. If we close off these benefits trying to
> achieve security objectives, it is we - not the malicious actors -
> who stand to loose the most.
>
>
> So to the suggestion that was raised of collecting social security
> numbers: I do not support this. Our digital economy grows only
> because end users and businesses are confident that the Internet
> does not hurt their fundamental rights, including the reasonable
> expectation to privacy.
>
>
> And for the record, I think it's a touch unfair to accuse some
> voices of having a conflict of interest when their email signature
> and statement of interest fairly notes what influences may
> contribute to the views they have brought to our multistakeholder
> dialogue.
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
> Ayden
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 4:11 PM, Volker Greimann
> vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I am sorry if my previous mail came over a bit harsh.
>
>
> I appreciate that your background may be different from mine and
> the situation in India may be different from the one in Europe. I
> take issue with your suggestion that my horizon is limited by my
> origin though as I have travelled and lived abroad quite a lot as
> well. I also take issue with the continuous attempts to attempt to
> regulate content and abusive use of the internet through domain names.
>
>
> That aside and back to the topic though, I absolutely refuse to
> compromise on issues of legal obligations and rights of both
> service providers and those that they serve. As ICANN policy may
> not violate national or international law, the requirements of the
> country with the most protective privacy laws must form the basis
> for our deliberations. Anything less than that maximum would put
> service providers in a position where they may have to violate
> applicable law. If you in India feel that German privacy laws go
> to far, that is just too bad, but that is what is the law for us
> and therefore the measure that I will apply to any suggestion made
> in this group. If that does not serve your national security
> needs, I am sorry but whois policy was never intended to serve
> national or regional security needs. Just like the presumption of
> innocense means that some criminals will get away with it, the
> protection of individual privacy rights will mean certain data
> will not be accessible, no matter how desperately some security
> agencies want it.
>
>
> If we compare it to another recent issue, I believe Apple was
> absolutely right to refuse the demands made by the FBI.
>
>
> I am confident that we as a working group will be able to achieve
> a consensus position, however this will only be possible if this
> discussion is devoid of attempts to regulate the internet.
> Replacing whois with a new system is a daunting task already, let
> us not make it impossible. Unlike a democracy, the majority does
> not decide the outcome of a PDP, we need consensus. That aside, I
> am confident that the majority of the group opposes the
> suggestions you have made.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Volker
>
>
> Am 22.06.2016 um 16:45 schrieb Catalyst-Vaibhav Aggarwal:
>
> Volker,�
>
>
> No you don�t take these threats seriously, as the tone and
> manner is appearing to be callous. Do I need to mention the crisis
> EU is going through right now ?
>
> I am avoiding writing to you in a particular manner but this is
> the second mail you have written in a superior manner and a
> showing down manner.�
>
>
> So here is my take � Even if you want to to show that you
> represent a particular set of people � No you don�t. Your
> statement is skewed and can be shot at, any point in time as you
> represent Key Systems and there is a Conflict of interest for you
> to even be on this group.�
>
> You can definitely give your inputs, but you do not have the right
> to make policy. You have business vested Interests. What you are
> writing in this WG mailing list, shud it be taken KEY SYSTEM�s
> Official Stand on the matter � in the same tone and reference?
> Please elaborate.�
>
>
> Re Representations, your response is Patronizing, Aggressive and
> Harsh when compared to how I have worded my mail. NOT Discounting
> that I can pin you down anytime.�
>
> Please consider I live in a region where I am living amongst 4
> Billion People, not in your region. And I am well travelled
> globally, to consider the public policy environment in the west or
> the east or north or South. If you ever come to India in the ICANN
> 57, you will feel the heat yourself. This part of the world is a
> bit more complicated than where you are living � especially for
> security. So don�t be Patronising.�
>
> BY way of your thoughts, it appears that you don�t get too much
> vacation. You have neither travelled to Africa, Nor Asia nor
> studied those regions. I will be happy to host you.
>
>
> Also, let�s be humble when we write in the list. Its been read
> around the world, by professionals who don�t have the time to
> read BS. At least I don�t.
>
>
> Back to the Topic, in two lines : Regarding the Point I made
> earlier, It is advisable to be Democratic in your approach, I have
> kept the point for a discussion, It is a requirement from my side
> if it get heard great � if not then this is not the last forum I
> would like to present this view point to. I have considerable
> influence elsewhere too. And I am a Contributor and Member of the
> WG as you are. I have the right to be heard, present my view point
> and Keep my Voice as you have and As the rest of us have. Who the
> hell is anyone to Rubbish what any of us say. Take it easy.�
>
>
> So Chill and Relax !!
>
> Next time be professional and don�t be patronizing � its
> democracy not war.
>
>
> -VA
>
>
> From: Volker Greimann
> <<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
>
> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 7:31 PM
>
> To: Vaibhav Aggarwal
> <va at bladebrains.com<mailto:va at bladebrains.com>>,
> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] The States are Getting into the Act
>
>
> I take those threats seriously, but I take human rights and
> personal privacy rights just as seriously. If we give up our
> freedoms to stop a few madmen, we will have paid too high a price.
> If we go for the lowest common denominator, we will have paid too
> high a price.
>
>
> I also firmly oppose the inclusion of additional data that is not
> required for contactability of the domain owner, such as the
> social security number of the registrant. This is highly private
> information and we as service providers have no business asking
> for it just because someone wants a domain name. I never had to
> provide my SS number to Amazon, to Facebook, to my local phone
> company or the post office either and they provide their services
> to me. Similarly, asking for additional verification such as cell
> phone verification or govt issued IDs are non-starters.
>
>
> I would also dispute the notion that the registration of a domain
> name should in any way be compared to registering a tradmark in
> the TMCH. The two have nothing in common.
>
>
> Frankly, asking for additional privacy-relevant data to be
> included seems like an attempt to set this group up for failure
> since there is no way that it will gain consensus if that is
> included in the final recommendations.
>
>
> If this is your mission, prepared to be disappointed, no matter
> how many people you claim to represent.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Volker
>
>
> Am 22.06.2016 um 15:28 schrieb Catalyst-Vaibhav Aggarwal:
>
> Honestly by way of your reply, You probably don�t take the ISIS
> threat or the The treat of Digital Terrorism seriously or relate
> to it at all. I would like to request you to take a step back and
> deliberate on my point not push your view point on the list.�
>
>
> I will advocate that the NEXT-GEN requirement should include the
> process where in during the completion of the purchase of a Domain
> Name the Information related should be absolutely mapped to the
> Social Security Number of the buyer � supported by a password
> authentication on the buyer�s cell phone and verification of the
> govt. Issued ID. It should be the Registry-Registrar relationship
> responsibility to get this organized and certified by the
> respective governments AND the data be made public, in-terms of
> the validations made and rejections done. For authentication
> purpose, the procedure could be the same as the TMCH undertakes.
> Validating the respective trademarks. Infact, the process of buyer
> validation will be much easier than that of the Trademark as most
> countries, either developed or Developing, have the social
> Security format is one way or the other, Digitized already and
> some kind of government facilitation is available for the API�s
> to be integrated, if need to do so arises.�
>
>
> As a Aware resident of this humble world, I need to be sure that
> my Digital World is safe from threats. Rather, if this solution is
> implemented in part of in full, Many Registries will save huge
> costs on Network infrastructure as this will be able to deal with
> Internet Spam and Domain-Squatting making it a clean register for
> the registries to maintain.�
>
>
> Customer Privacy is of pivotal Importance, but not more than
> Digital Terrorism. In the wake of Free Speech and Privacy, we land
> up risking the lives of our loved ones.�
>
> The Data can be made available for the investigating agencies but
> that is so many times a long process, so there should be
> transparency in the system, creating every view of such
> information private by way of reader authentication. So if I want
> to read your Information or access it, I need to log in, a Text
> Authentication, or create an account by uploading my ID etc. etc.
> Take the example of Linkedin � the Authentication Algorithm is
> good but there are so many cases of wrongful display information
> in the user accounts there in too. But on a Dating site like
> Tinder � It works as the Authentication has checks built in �
> yet automated. Lets not make Internet an Uber � where everyone
> runs amok.�
>
>
> And Lastly, My right to Internet is More than yours perhaps as I
> represent a MUCH larger set of population that you. So to speak so
> lets not use the expression, and you quote - “If we start looking
> at the countries which do not care about the privacy of their
> citizens, then we will get nowhere. Only be adhering to a maximum
> standard can we ensure that the result is workable for all
> providers and their customers�, in isolation. We have to look at
> the Global Picture and It is our endeavor to do �Best Practice
> Sharing� and make everyone Grow, together. There is much to
> learn about the Universe � both On the Earth and outside the earth.
>
>
> I look forward to deliberating on this further more.�
>
>
> Best�
>
> -VA
>
>
> From:
> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>>
> on behalf of Volker Greimann
> <<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
>
> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 4:36 PM
>
> To:
> <<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] The States are Getting into the Act
>
>
>
> Frankly, as a provider that is handing over private details of my
> customer I do not care about anything less than the maximum
> required protection in any jurisdiction that may be applicable. So
> what if the states have lower privacy protection requirements than
> Europe and India has none? The only acceptable result in my eyes
> is an accomodation of the most extensive privacy protection level
> that may be required.
>
>
> If we start looking at the countries which do not care about the
> privacy of their citizens, then we will get nowhere. Only be
> adhering to a maximum standard can we ensure that the result is
> workable for all providers and their customers.
>
>
>
> Volker
>
>
>
> Am 22.06.2016 um 08:59 schrieb Catalyst-Vaibhav Aggarwal:
>
> Since India has no privacy laws, so this WG can perhaps deliberate
> more to accommodate and protect such countries where no
> legislation exists as such. This will allow the group to offer a
> wholistic, and long term policy perspective, justifying NEXT-GEN.�
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -Vaibhav Aggarwal
>
> New Delhi
>
> TheVaibhav.com<http://thevaibhav.com>
>
>
>
> From:
> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>>
> on behalf of Holly Raiche
> <<mailto:h.raiche at internode.on.net>h.raiche at internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche at internode.on.net>>
>
> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 11:59 AM
>
> To: Carlton Samuels
> <carlton.samuels at gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>>
>
> Cc: RDS WG
> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] The States are Getting into the Act
>
>
> That is scary.
>
>
> The Australian legislation (Privacy Act 1988) has a much broader
> definition:
>
>
> personal information means information or an opinion about an
>
>
> identified individual, or an individual who is reasonably
>
>
> identifiable:
>
>
> (a)�� (a)�whether the information or opinion is true or not; and
>
>
> (b)�whether the information or opinion is recorded in a material
>
>
> (a)�� form or not.
>
>
> �And the Privacy Commissioner�ruled that the definition
> included meta data (that decision is being challenged, but then
> look at the EU as to meta data)
>
>
> Holly
>
>
>
> On 22 Jun 2016, at 4:08 pm, Carlton Samuels
> <carlton.samuels at gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> The Illinois Personal Information Protection
> Act<http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=2702&ChapAct=815%A0ILCS%A0530/&ChapterID=67&ChapterName=BUSINESS%20TRANSACTIONS&ActName=Personal%20Information%20Protection%20Act.>
> might be of mild interest, particularly the definitions....and
> what is excluded:
>
>
> “
>
> “Personal information” means an individual's first name or first
> initial and last name in combination with any one or more of the
> following data elements, when either the name or the data elements
> are not encrypted or redacted:�
>
> ��������(1) Social Security number.�
>
> ��������(2) Driver's license number or State
> identification
>
>
> ����
>
> card number.
>
>
>
> ��������(3) Account number or credit or debit card
> number, or
>
>
> ����
>
> an account number or credit card number in combination with any
> required security code, access code, or password that would permit
> access to an individual's financial account.
>
>
>
> “Personal information” does not include publicly available
> information that is lawfully made available to the general public
> from federal, State, or local government records.�
>
> (Source: P.A. 97-483, eff. 1-1-12.)
>
>
>
> -Carlton
>
>
> ==============================
>
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>
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> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
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> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verf�gung.
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>
> Mit freundlichen Gr��en,
>
>
> Volker A. Greimann
>
> - Rechtsabteilung -
>
>
> Key-Systems GmbH
>
> Im Oberen Werk 1
>
> 66386 St. Ingbert
>
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>
> Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
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> Web: www.key-systems.net<http://www.key-systems.net> /
> www.RRPproxy.net<http://www.RRPproxy.net>
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> www.BrandShelter.com<http://www.BrandShelter.com>
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> Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
>
> www.facebook.com/KeySystems<http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>
>
> www.twitter.com/key_systems<http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
>
>
> Gesch�ftsf�hrer: Alexander Siffrin
>
> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
>
> Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
>
>
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
>
> www.keydrive.lu<http://www.keydrive.lu>
>
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> Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur f�r den
> angegebenen Empf�nger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe,
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>
> --------------------------------------------
>
>
> Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to
> contact us.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Volker A. Greimann
>
> - legal department -
>
>
> Key-Systems GmbH
>
> Im Oberen Werk 1
>
> 66386 St. Ingbert
>
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>
> Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>
>
> Web: www.key-systems.net<http://www.key-systems.net> /
> www.RRPproxy.net<http://www.RRPproxy.net>
>
> www.domaindiscount24.com<http://www.domaindiscount24.com> /
> www.BrandShelter.com<http://www.BrandShelter.com>
>
>
> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and
> stay updated:
>
> www.facebook.com/KeySystems<http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>
>
> www.twitter.com/key_systems<http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
>
>
> CEO: Alexander Siffrin
>
> Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
>
> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
>
>
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
>
> www.keydrive.lu<http://www.keydrive.lu>
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